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To think teachers overuse parents

214 replies

RichTeas · 08/12/2014 13:09

I am really starting to wonder about the received wisdom that parental input is crucial for a child's schooling success? Every politician and every teacher (especially in the state sector) repeats this mantra over and over, and clearly some parental teaching is not going to hurt, but is it really an efficient way of doing things? Most of us are not experts, and end up wasting time finding second rate examples or demonstrating old ways of calculating etc.. Not to mention the inevitable arguments from children who don't wish to be taught by parents. Teachers seem quite happy to assign hours of homework at primary with the cheerful reminder of not to spend more than 20 minutes on it, meanwhile in the school they're doing all manner of arts and crafts, dress-up, cooking, while parents get stuck with the boring sit-down learning.

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capsium · 12/12/2014 11:43

Why?

Because the education system is supposed to tackle inequality. A child has a right to a state education, regardless of their parent's ability to teach them. A child has an entitlement to a state education, in their own right, as a person separate from their parents.

Number3cometome · 12/12/2014 11:44

*Why?

Because the education system is supposed to tackle inequality. A child has a right to a state education, regardless of their parent's ability to teach them. A child has an entitlement to a state education, in their own right, as a person separate from their parents.*

If you go in with that attitude, then expect the child to come out as no more than 'average'.
As I parent, I do not settle for average, so I help at home.

capsium · 12/12/2014 11:47

Really? Or perhaps the child has not been listening.
Or perhaps the child was hungry and couldn't think about what they were hearing, or perhaps they still haven't caught up from the last batch of homework which no one bothered to help them with?

Then these should have been highlighted by the educational professionals, as a need of that child's, that has not been catered for and provision should be sought. Each child is entitled to up to £6 individually, from the school's notional funds, on top of the AWPU, before a school applies for top up finding, in order to cater for additional needs.

capsium · 12/12/2014 11:49

£6K. Typo.

capsium · 12/12/2014 11:51

My DC is already achieving above average, Number, so you are wrong there.

I am accountable as a parent. Teachers are also accountable in terms of the quality of teaching they provide. If I see problems, I address them and tackle them.

Number3cometome · 12/12/2014 11:53

Would you not notice if your child came home and couldn't read a book, or couldn't complete a maths page in their book?

Of course not if you are not helping.

Parenting is about being involved, not relying on others to pick up the pieces when you cannot be bothered or think something else is 'more important'

£6k a year? Less than £5 an hour per child. Could you get home schooling for that? of course not.

Number3cometome · 12/12/2014 11:54

*My DC is already achieving above average, Number, so you are wrong there.

I am accountable as a parent. Teachers are also accountable in terms of the quality of teaching they provide. If I see problems, I address them and tackle them.*

Again, you are taking this as a personal attack - we are discussing the OP's post here and the issue with so many parents in this country EXPECTING their children to come out University ready, when they have put in absolutely zero input.

capsium · 12/12/2014 11:56

That is each individual child is entitled to £6K in funds to cater for additional needs from the school's notional funding, on top of the AWPU, before top up is applied for.

Number3cometome · 12/12/2014 11:58

So the £5 per hour is instead used feeding kids who haven't been fed, toilet training them and very often teaching them basic English.

That money goes nowhere and fast.

It costs a parent nothing to read to their child for 15 minutes.

Geez, most of us did that with them from birth just for the pure pleasure of quality time with our kids. When did that become a bad thing?

capsium · 12/12/2014 12:07

£6K is equivalent to roughly 12 hours 1 to 1 support per week. More hours small group support.

Number3cometome · 12/12/2014 12:11

12 hours 1 to 1 support per week

Please do show me a teacher who has enough time to support each child for 12 hours a week.

capsium · 12/12/2014 13:55

The 1 to 1 is provided by a TA, employed using the school's notional funding...

capsium · 12/12/2014 14:02

Again, you are taking this as a personal attack - we are discussing the OP's post here and the issue with so many parents in this country EXPECTING their children to come out University ready, when they have put in absolutely zero input.

I'm really not. I just empathise and sympathise with other parents out there. I can easily see how they can be pre-judged, I was initially, regarding my DC's SEN - which makes things doubly hard. I felt really blessed then, that I had some background in the field and could comment from this position, other's aren't in my situation and I can easily see how that could make a parent feel quite desperate.

capsium · 12/12/2014 14:08

And it is time consuming. I had to fill in the gaps whilst my DC was only offered part time schooling, even though there was a fully funded 1 to 1 through a Statement. I had to volunteer, in school, on top of this, so my DC was allowed access to the whole of the curriculum. I had to somehow encourage my DC in the progression of learning, when no one else really would. I was a SAHP but it was good job I was - I even got pointed comments made, regarding this, by members of staff. It would have been very easy to let it all get on top of me...

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