AIBU to be very pleased that Sheffield Utd have recognised that the rapist Ched Evans is toxic

[WeirdCatLady]

Very good news.

Good to see some sense being shown (finally).

The rapist Ched Evans will not be signed by Sheffield United because of the 'toxic' reaction to their (stupid) plan.

Does anyone here know why he's been released on licence while showing no remorse? I thought that was a key part of parole hearings. Did the treatment of his victim not count against him either?

The treatment of his victim (the trolling i'm assuming?) was carried out by other people - there was no evidence of CE trolling her or inciting people to as far as i'm aware, so it could hardly 'count against' him.

No; at the half way point of a determinate sentence a prisoner is entitled to release on licence whatever his attitude to the crime or the victim unless he had adjudications against him for breaches of prison discipline and has lost time for them. CE had presumably behaved in prison and was released on licence accordingly.

He can be recalled for breaching the terms of his license but what others do unless it can be proved that he incited them is not a breach.

Don't know Andrew, you're often not allowed to call people victims either.

Link to conditions for release on licence:

www.offendersfamilieshelpline.org/index.php/licence-conditions/

Very debatable whether the convicted rapist Ched Evans even meets the first given his lack of enthusiasm for condemning the harassment of his victim.

After conviction you certainly can!

I get annoyed about this because pre-sentence reports often say His risk of re-offending is high or she is at medium risk of re/offending as if re-offending was something which happened to them, not something they do!

Does Mr Massey not have women working at his company? How can he guarantee their safety, or would he just tell them all to leave if they feel unsafe around Ched?

It is also a real come down for the once professional footballer- to only be able to get a job working for his fiancée's Daddy! It probably would keep him in line though, if he tried anything again then she could get him fired. Never mind, it is still more than he deserves and more most other rapists get after being released.

Thank you. I didn't know much about release on licence.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, but I did mean his refusal to disassociate himself with the behaviour of his family and supporters, even if there is no reason to think he encouraged them.

The terms of being released on licence seem to suggest that he would only be granted permission to go abroad in exceptional circumstances. So I doubt he would be allowed to go and play abroad as per Mr Clegg's suggestion. Wasn't he moaning about the terms of his licence not allowing him to go on a foreign holiday with Natasha now that he is released?

Diddums.

Licence prisoners with a genuine job offer are normally allowed to take it up. It's short term and especially holiday travel which is not normally allowed. Exceptions can be made for e.g. Family funerals or to be interviewed for an apparently genuine job.

I don't think refusal to dissociate himself from the activities of the House of Massey could be made grounds for recall. And if he did dissociate himself they and his other supporters would say that he was under duress (as he would be) and ignore it.

Interesting question about Massey's female employees - if one of them quit could she call the fact of employing the rapist an act of constructive dismissal? Honestly, I doubt it. Certainly not unless his work and hers would force her to be alone with him.

Interesting question about Massey's female employees - if one of them quit could she call the fact of employing the rapist an act of constructive dismissal? Honestly, I doubt it. Certainly not unless his work and hers would force her to be alone with him.

I think they would receive some sort of final bonus with a gagging clause attached.

As for the tweets/hate campaign, here's a quote "@ChedEvans09: If you'd like to read the truth, please visit my website. www.chedevans.com"

Another tweet from Miss Massey tells people this is his 'official account'

I think it's time that football got it's house in order. In a lot of other professions there is a professional code of conduct that you must adhere to. If you are found guilty of committing a crime such as rape or the death of persons through drunk driving then you are effectively struck off and that career permanently closed to you. I'm happy if he doesn't get the chance to play as a professional footballer again but it seems that the club has taken the cowardly option and only acted this way because it's recognized the disapproval from the public.

I don't believe he should never have the opportunity to earn a living but he will have to apply himself to finding a new career and Football as a whole needs to be sending out a tougher message to guys like this because objectification of woman by footballers seems rife.

sashh That's a cynical suggestion about Mr M's employees but you are right.

I'm not going to visit the rapist's website. It probably counts every visitor as a supporter and I would rather fry my gonads in oil than appear to support that animal. He makes me embarrassed to be male; just as his gf makes me embarrassed to be human.

I think it's time that football got it's its house in order.

I think it will be a long time coming. A large section of football supporters seem to be young men who see the Cheds of this world as role models. If you ever have the misfortune, as I have, of being in a railway carriage with a crowd of them going to or from a football match you can see how closely they copy his sort. You don't see that after a tennis match or an athletics meeting.

Andrewofgg

When i started work in my teens (mid 1980s) one local employer was well known for not employing women with children.

Anyone who requested maternity leave was made a financial offer to not return afterwards.

In this case if any employee did leave he would nor want any more bad publicity, and he is a rich man.

I don't know him personally, but his actions, to me, speak of someone who thinks any problem can be solved by throwing money at it.

I believe there is a younger sister. Evans seems to have spent his time on bail before the trial living in Mr Massey's home with his wife and two daughters. Ms Massey posted a pic of her sister going to 'prom' when Evans was in prison, so I'm guessing she was under 18 when Evans lived there.

Hello all

I have skimmed the thread, then realised I didn't know the precise details of the crime. This is an informative and, one would hope, unbiased link:

crimeline

I found it interesting. I was wondering how Ched Evans could possibly be protesting his innocence, but having read this I think it's clearer.

IMO, many people think that 'rape' is basically when a man leaps onto an unsuspecting woman and forces her to have sex with him in the face of her overt, clear resistance. Such people have great difficulty accepting anything less obvious than this as 'rape'. They are obviously wrong, but still it might serve to explain their attitude in trials like this.

I believe that Ched Evans and his legions of fans/family do not think he commited rape, as it didn't fit the circumstances I have described. I also believe that he's wrong in that opinion, that he did commit rape and that he now needs to accept the consequences of that action. Ignorance of the legal definition of rape does not necessarily mean innocence.

However (and this may get me flamed) I have seen a few posts on this thread which make me uneasy. They imply that Ched Evans is essentially just a vile person, rather than a normal man who could and should have known that his actions were wrong. If he's a normal man who committed a horrible act, then we would need to look at HOW he got there and how to avoid it happening in future. If he's just vile, then he's just vile and that's an end of it.

I prefer the normal man scenario, however disquieting, because it may lead to progress rather than stagnation of views and no real action.

I don't find that among football supporters at all Sallying. Players, maybe as they're lead to believe by people around them that they're practically gods, but not the supporters. And not all players.

Over the years there have been a number of players accused of sexual assault and the fans give them an incredibly hard time (which isn't necessarily a good thing before they've been proven guilty IMO) but fans definitely do not think it's OK.

Fans will also reprimand any fellow supporter if they think their language is too strong or racist. Obviously thugs exist but they're not in the majority in a football crowd anymore. There's more to be done but football has come a long way towards getting it's house in order among the fans. Lots still to do with the attitudes of players though, I agree.

Plump

His actions after the rape are vile. His actions to this day are vile. He has blamed the victim again and again.

His friends and family have hounded her out of the country and released her name, new name and possibly 3rd name to the general public. Some tweets in his name. He may claim to not know about them but he has not condemned them. He has a facebook page in his name, blaming the victim.

If that is not a vile person what is?

His actions after the rape are vile. His actions to this day are vile. He has blamed the victim again and again.

Ok, I wasn't aware of that. What has he said?

My point is more that horrible actions can be committed by normal men in the street, not just vile people. I think that if we mentally subdivide ourselves into 'us' and 'vile people' then we're not actually doing anythign to reduce the chance of similar crimes happening in the future.

As for his supporters, their actions sound distasteful to say the very least but I imagine he wouldn't say anything to disparage them even if he felt compelled to at this point; he probably doesn't want them to turn on him. A coward's way out, frankly.

Just in case it's not obvious, I find his actions horrible and think he has behaved appallingly.

I see where pump is coming from. The behaviour has been vile but in his mind he did nothing wrong. If you thought you'd had your life ruined but done nothing wrong I'd guess you'd fight against it pretty hard too.

Obviously he was very wrong but he and apparently his associates can't see that, which doesn't excuse the behaviour at all but it does explain the motivation behind it.

I apologise if I choose the wrong words (again) but perhaps some good can come of that poor woman's ordeal, as such a high profile has been given to what exactly can happen to a man who "takes advantage" of a drunken woman. BTW, even if the father et al, don't believe it was rape, surely all men of all backgrounds know that taking advantage of a drunken woman is just wrong and that those who do it are despicable?

I apologise if I choose the wrong words (again) but perhaps some good can come of that poor woman's ordeal, as such a high profile has been given to what exactly can happen to a man who "takes advantage" of a drunken woman.

BTW, even if the father et al, don't believe it was rape, surely all men of all backgrounds know that taking advantage of a drunken woman is just wrong and that those who do it are despicable?

I agree entirely alias. As I read the case I did think that it sounded like the judge was making a point about consent and the ability to make an informed decision; it feels like a landmark case to me. I hope that it is. At least then something good will come out of it.

I have explained that badly. I mean, a (tiny) bit like the drink drive ads. The most successful ones are the ones about the penalties the offender will suffer, rather than the harm they can cause. So, even if some young men don't believe what CE did was wrong if this publicity means they know there's a good chance they could go to prison for it, that might make them think twice IYSWIM.

I get what you mean. People are put off if you explain the consequences, rather than getting how morally repugnant it is in the first place.

When I stop my toddler (3yo) hitting his brother (2 yo), I don't say 'Stop doing that, DS2 doesn't like it and it hurts him' but rather 'If you do that one more time I will take your toy away.' Always works

So much good could have come out of this if he had come across as 'a normal man' to use plump's words.

If he had come out of prison saying he was guilty, that it was something he didn't see as wrong before because he did not know that this was rape, there could have been a really useful education campaign.

Obviously that might not be a good idea for the victim and she must come first.

As it is he is a convicted rapist, a vile person and also seems quite thick.

sashh Your charmer was right in a sense. He did solve his "problem" by throwing money at it.

Or did you mean that CE thought he could just throw money and make it go away? If he did he spent thirty months learning better!