To really worry about a Tory / UKIP coalition possibility?

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Can anyone tell me how likely this is to actually happen?

I have a severely disabled daughter and also have quite severe mental health problems myself so I am scared. Actually I am scared for the whole country. I don't think there are many people whose lives would not be affected by the nasty policies of UKIP.

My friend who is from Scandinavia is worried too about the noises being made about us leaving the EU.

AesSedal, they haven't released a new manifesto, have they?
So we haven't got much to go on except the old one, and the statements of their candidates.
Neither of which are in any way encouraging.

Because its a policy which they were happy to stand behind, and makes it very clear on what they stand for. You obviously feel that UKIP is the party for you, but do you have a child/sibling/cousin with learning difficulties?

yanbu, I also worry about this. I am concerned about the amount of coverage ukip get whereby the Greens get nothing. Interestingly, the Green Party also support a referendum on the EU.
I also worry about the UK leaving the EU, I don't feel this would be beneficial at all.

My hope - and it's only a hope - is that we will get a situation where no two parties can form a majority. Meaning a coalition will be very difficult, and issues will need to be discussed and a consensus reached to get a vote through.

It's debatable whether there will be enough LibDems around after the next election to make a difference.

Over the years I have voted all big 3, but never again. I grew up in the 70s, and can tell anyone under the age of 30 that nuLabour have nothing to offer the working man - how many of their MPs come from that background ?

Having studied history, with a father that grew up under a fascist regime, it's depressing to see the slow slide into a totalitarian society.

1. Secret trials - check
2. Arbitrary criminalisation of legal behaviour (ASBOs) - check
3. Severe and unpredictable curbs on free speech - check
4. Ongoing "wars" with vaguely defined opponents - check
5. Demonisation of those of no use to the state - check
6. Politicisation of the justice system (you have read about GCHQ snooping on lawyers correspondence with their clients, haven't you ?) - check
7. Devolution of public security to unaccountable private companies - check

But as long as there's Downton, GBBO, Strictly, and X Factor, then it really doesn't matter does it ? Although there seems to be a problem with the "bread" part, since people are using foodbanks. If they can crack that, it's curtains for us.

Boulevard - I am sure they will in due course

You obviously feel that UKIP is the party for you, but do you have a child/sibling/cousin with learning difficulties?

Yes I do Isabella - what dreadful thing do you think UKIP will want to do with him? Please explain.

Where on earth are people getting the notion that UKIP are disablist?
They have a disabled disability spokesperson, what other party does?

What does the idea of congregate communities conjour up to you?

Actually I don't know why I am bothering.

I expect my son to go into a 'congregate community' (i.e. care home for people with learning disabilities) when I am too old and frail to look after him. Would you prefer he came to live with you Isabella? Any other suggestions as to where he should go?

And even Star Etheridge thought that their 2010 disabled policies were wrong.

But one person doesn't make a party. She might be doing good things now, but how long will she stay for?

Well, since UKIP's general policy arc is rolling back society to the 1950s, without all that pesky political correctness that led us to stop locking disabled people away and to integrate them into society, who knows what surprises they have in store?

I expect my son to go into a 'congregate community' (i.e. care home for people with learning disabilities) when I am too old and frail to look after him. Would you prefer he came to live with you Isabella? Any other suggestions as to where he should go?

And I ask again ^^.........well?

Keep you knickers on!

Its not a care home, its a self contained village for those with learning difficulties. I work hard to make sure that my son has as much contact with the outside world as possible, over my dead body will he be dumped in some village which sounds more like a social experiment than a life.

And when you are too old to look after him, Isabella? What then? Or haven't you even thought that far ahead. (My Sloggis are well in place, thanks )

Or do you envisage UKIP will forcibly remove such people at school age, or 18?

aes, people like my family, skilled knowledge migrants who the host country wants to retain, will certainly apply for and get residency abroad. All those British pensioners in Spain? Well, they can apply....

Perhaps you ought to do your homework - such 'villages' already exist! Well, well, someone got there before UKIP.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botton,_North_Yorkshire

www.acornvillages.com/

God only knows. As they also wanted to re-examine inclusion in schools for those with LD, they will probably be earlier than 18.

And I know they exist - there is one in Berkshire too, still doesn't make them okay does it?

Also, UKIP doesn't yet have a general election manifesto. I imagine they are going to have great difficulty pulling one together which both reflects the views of their members/aims of their financial backers and doesn't alienate much of their potential electorate.

I can't see much chance of a Tory-UKIP coalition because the only seats UKIP are remotely likely to take are those currently held by Tories. For a coalition to happen, presumably, the Tories would need to make up for these lost seats by taking seats off other parties, but that doesn't look likely (governing parties normally see their vote share decline, not rise). Though, obviously, if the Labour Party manage to screw themselves up even more between now and May (who thinks starting a coup 6 months before a general election is a good idea?) all bets are off.

Yes, Aes Currently they're voluntary. We have managed to work out that you are a UKIP plant supporter. Good for you, but some of us aren't. Some of us don't believe the guff with which they embelish papers and so called policies. Some of us look to history to see how these things have gone before, and interestingly, it's never been pleasant.
Their record in Europe is abominable and I rather feel that supporting a party that works on a take the money and run basis is a little, shall we say, daft. That is what they do in Europe and their not voting on anything policy as well as joining up with far right parties doesn't bode well for women or disabled people. One of their MEPs, used the word 'autistic' as an insult, charming.
Then, along with their wanting to privatise the NHS, which of course would then put those with disabilities in an even more precarious position than they are now, what's to vote for?

Why are UKIP racist because they want controlled immigration? they do not want to stop immigration but have a point system like Australia, America etc do We need this, I don't see why it's a bad thing.

UKIP want to limit CB to the first 3 kids only, that's one pretty nasty policy I can think of.. Ditto

The prospect of a Labour government worries me far more than a Tory/UKIP coalition.

WE ALREADY HAVE A POINTS SYSTEM ...IT'S TOUGHER THAN AUSTRALIA ...

I WISH UKIP VOTERS WOULD FIND OUT SOME FACTS

Yes, Aes Currently they're voluntary. We have managed to work out that you are a UKIP plant supporter. said Dawndonna.

Not necessarily. Could be anything really. Just can't stand people spouting inaccuracies and untruths. Was hoping laying Devils Advocate may bring forth some sense.........but still waiting

WE ALREADY HAVE A POINTS SYSTEM ...IT'S TOUGHER THAN AUSTRALIA ...

I WISH UKIP VOTERS WOULD FIND OUT SOME FACTS

I wish some didn't feel the need to shout.

I was referring to controlled immigration from EU countries.