To really worry about a Tory / UKIP coalition possibility?

[applemac]

Can anyone tell me how likely this is to actually happen?

I have a severely disabled daughter and also have quite severe mental health problems myself so I am scared. Actually I am scared for the whole country. I don't think there are many people whose lives would not be affected by the nasty policies of UKIP.

My friend who is from Scandinavia is worried too about the noises being made about us leaving the EU.

[fanjoforthemammaries7850]

Im still laughing at person who sais they hoped for a Labour UKIP coalition, and would like to vote Labour but we're voting UKIP instead.

[FlowerFairy2014]

The bigger risk (and I really hope for this) is that UKIP destroys the Labour white working class vote in the North which could mean hopefully the Tories get in.

[BMW6]

It doesn't actually mean '3 kids per person' (or 2, or 1, or 0 as has been suggested) It means per woman. Men will be allowed to have dozens, just so long as they don't acknowledge them and spread them about a bit between different women. Why should a man be able to have 10 kids to 5 women and have all of those children in receipt of CB, but a woman only be able to have 2? Or are women going to be able to have more, just so long as they have different fathers and the fathers don't have kids with anyone else? It's the kind of convoluted nonsense dragged up by soundbite politicians, not a reasonable or practical or worthwhile policy.

Sounds like you are advocating that women take responsibility for Contraception, as it's them that end up as single parent??

(PS - men can only get women pregnant if women allow it - by not using contraception that is in their control)

[Custardcream14]

I'm more worried about a labour gov.

[PhaedraIsMyName]

I don't think it will happen. What worries me more is Salmond and Sturgeon wittering on about holding the balance of power.

[sylwright]

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep re your comment to me sylwright, luckily, if you're looking somewhere people think it's OK for a man to rape his wife; many, many other forums are available. It's not like the Internet has any shortage of misogynists and racists.

I don't think its OK for a man to rape his wife or anyone for that matter. I'm sure voting for any political party does not mean you agree with everything they say.

I don't think its OK to behead people in the name of religion either but I am intelligent enough to know that there are evil people everywhere.

Unfortunately UKIP seem to be annoying the media and the left wing public to such a degree that they are now being slandered at every opportunity

I would take this as a sign that they represent a real threat and the establishment are getting worried.

[applemac]

Oops sorry about that. I was trying to link to the Guardian which has a Nazi friend of ukip saying that when women say no, they don't always mean it.

Lovely people these fascists.

[applemac]

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[MrSheen]

For profit health services are universally disastrous. In USA there are places where the amount spent on Medicare per capita is greater than the average income. The NHS is the most efficient health service in the world, except for the bits that the Tories are fucking with.

UKIP have made various contradictory statements about what they will do with the NHS. They are suspiciously unwilling to nail their colours to the mast. It's too important to leave to people who won't even consistently state what they are going to do, even if they weren't a load of me first bigots.

[MrSheen]

Why is it wrong to limit CB to 3 kids (I doubt it would be retrospective)?

It's an ideology, rather than something that would be actually beneficial. It would affect relatively few people (financially) but create an atmosphere of condemnation to larger families

It doesn't actually mean '3 kids per person' (or 2, or 1, or 0 as has been suggested) It means per woman. Men will be allowed to have dozens, just so long as they don't acknowledge them and spread them about a bit between different women. Why should a man be able to have 10 kids to 5 women and have all of those children in receipt of CB, but a woman only be able to have 2? Or are women going to be able to have more, just so long as they have different fathers and the fathers don't have kids with anyone else? It's the kind of convoluted nonsense dragged up by soundbite politicians, not a reasonable or practical or worthwhile policy.

[MrsRabbitsTwin]

UKIP are delibarately vague about their policies but the ones they do have are abhorrent.

Like the one about prioritising people whose grandparents were born locally for social housing. My mother has lived here for the past 40 years; I was born here and have never lived anywhere else. But this rule would mean that my son, who was also born here, effectively wouldn't be able to access social housing as loads of other people would come further up the queue.

It's a horrible policy from a horrible party, and I wish people would wake up and realise how vile UKIP are.

[SolomanDaisy]

Despite first past the post, there have been massive changes in British party politics in the past. The shift from the Whigs to Liberals as the second party of government and then the shift from the Liberals to Labour as the second party of government. It's too early to say if this could be another such change or what it would mean longer term. It's unlikely that UKIP could make themselves an electable party of government, but it is possible. And scary.

[Backinthering]

I too think that UKIP have a whiff of National Socialism circa 1930 about them. They weren't initially taken seriously either but managed to get into power due to exploiting people's fears and need to scapegoat "the other" during a very hard economic time.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I have caught myself thinking, so this is how it happens, this is what it looks like.
Sundaegirl what are your concerns about the SNP?

[applemac]

Tiggy, I so hope that you are right.

[BoulevardOfBrokenSleep]

Thing is, fyrefly there's not really that many UKIP members in total, so the ratio of 'utter cocks' to 'people who genuinely hope to improve the UK by returning to the 50's' is pretty high.

Whereas your more mainstream parties have a small proportion of utter cocks, but enough non-frothing spokespersons for you to get an idea of their more sensible general plans and policies.

Somehow UKIP's sensible policies have got lost in the stream of absolute bollocks from candidates that makes them look like a bunch of bigots. Unfortunate. Maybe a failure of communication.

[longfingernails]

A Tory/UKIP coalition sounds like the idea election outcome to me. UKIP would pivot the Tories away from Notting Hill wets and towards Thatcherite steel.

UKIP's red lines should be the priorities of what were once called working class Tories: a slashing of international aid, a repeal of human rights laws, automatic deportation of illegals, huge cuts in income tax, huge cuts in benefits, and of course an EU referendum.

[FreudiansSlipper]

but it is a number of UKIP members that have come out with abhorrent things

they have a reputation for a reason

[FyreFly]

Some members of UKIP have come out with abhorrent things, true. But one idiot does not party policy make.

Terry Rooney (Labour MP for Bradford at the time) said that the IRA bomb was the best thing ever to happen to Manchester. I still don't believe the Labour party are pro-terrorism.

[FreudiansSlipper]

UKIP are a worry it is foolish to think they are not. But it shall depend on whether their supporters bother to vote lets hope not

but I would not worry about a Tory/UKIP coalition they will not work together they have very different policies and many Tories would turn their back on their party if they joined a UKIP Coalition plus UKIP will not hold that much power

[SundaeGirl]

The tories will probably get in or Con/Dem. I can't see people seriously heading to the polls to get excited about Ed.

More worrying is the SNP. How will that actually work?

[Raininginnovember]

I do realise that boulevard

However, hitler was open about his hatred of the Jews as well as holding them responsible for the state Germany was in. Hyperbole and exaggeration just aren't helpful.

UKIP aren't nazis. That doesn't mean they are a nice, sweet political party but nazis they are not.

[DisgraceToTheYChromosome]

UKIP are indeed vile, thick racists and misogynists. But like a lot of fourth parties, in a general election they'll split the Tory vote as the LDs and Greens so frequently split the Labour vote. The Tories need to swing even harder right to get those voters back, but there's a lot of big businesses won't fund that kind of manifesto. The City won't tolerate immigration squeezing now that the economy's improving. Nor will they accept the catastrophe of French import tariffs, the logical consequence of EU withdrawal.


As for the Human Rights Act, the Convention would still be in force. We could rescind that and have a proper police state, but the Duke of Wellington tried that and the country went mad.

[BoulevardOfBrokenSleep]

The Nazi party hadn't committed genocide before they came to power either. Nor was it in their election manifesto, oddly

They came to power in 1930 on the back of economic meltdown, and it took till 1935 to start demarcating citizens of Jewish heritage from proper Germans (btw, 51% of UKIP supporters think people of foreign ancestry should be deported, even if they were born in this country)... and it very much went downhill from there.

It pays to listen to what politicians are really saying. No matter how quickly they're hushed up by their party. Because once they're in power it will be too fucking late.