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Mother of sons and feminism

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Adnerb95 · 01/11/2014 10:24

Germaine Greer's book The Female Eunuch was life-changing for me when I was at uni many years ago. I still consider myself a feminist, love to see equality of opportunity for women, hate misogyny, think we have a way to go still ... BUT I think some current branches of feminism are seriously messing with young men's heads! Any mention, for example, of a false rape allegation brings down the wrath of any number of online commentators, who immediately label you a rape apologist, as if you are making light of a hateful crime, with no excuse. Apparently, admitting that there are - not often, but occasionally - false allegations is something to be dismissed out of hand and treated as unimportant. A friend's son was recently accused of a rape following consensual sex because she was fearful of the repercussions from her (hitherto secret!) boyfriend. The hell of that family's experience which is now finally over - the police have decided on no further action and actually apologised to the young man - has been indescribable. But it was the online reactions to any mention of such an allegation possibly being untrue, that caused the most damage not just the this young man's thinking but to my sons and their friends as well. I have taught them to respect women, to be caring and thoughtful. Never to objectify women or use them in any way. But they find it difficult to deal with the attitudes which have ben revealed, which see all men as potential rapists, users and so on. Isn't it time for the feminist community to realise that one day they may have sons and they may find that their sons can also be used and abused? That sometimes their sons may have reason to fear the other sex, sad though that may be?

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FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 10:48

The fault in rape always always lies with the man who sticks his dick where it's not welcome.

Are you suggesting I need a big male protector? Because I'm a single woman and I went out on Friday night in a corset, thighboots and not much else. So, the two men I dropped home, and had a coffee with, I should count myself lucky they didn't have their juice bubbling and want to rape me?

Hakluyt · 02/11/2014 10:48

What's the betting AloneReed now thinks she is "being torn to shreds" by feminists for daring to express a view that does not fit the "groupthink"?

AloneReed · 02/11/2014 10:49

Vivacia I'm amazed that you think both sexes are perfect and have no faults or responsibility for their actions. With that attitude nothing will change; we will carry on being the flawed society we are.

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FreudiansSlipper · 02/11/2014 10:51

Lots of biological facts there

Here is another one men do not loose their senses just because they are sexually aroused and are certainly in control of what they do with their own body

How sad to think men have so little control

MyEmpireOfDirt · 02/11/2014 10:52

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FluffyMcnuffy · 02/11/2014 10:52
Shock
AloneReed · 02/11/2014 10:52

No ALL men should be protectors of women! and the men you had coffee with obviously respect you. Not all men do which is how rape happens. What fluffy world do you live in?

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FluffyMcnuffy · 02/11/2014 10:55

AloneReed your post is one of the most shocking things I've ever read. I do hope you don't have daughters.

FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 10:55

Alone - I live quite often in the not very fluffy world of BDSSM. Where I am a Domme. A lifestyle Domme.

I don't think you'd like me very much in real life.

Vivacia · 02/11/2014 10:57

Vivacia I'm amazed that you think both sexes are perfect and have no faults or responsibility for their actions.

I'm not sure how you managed to get that interpretation from my words. It's almost as though you're not being quite genuine.

WoodliceCollection · 02/11/2014 10:58

OP, I can't even be bothered getting into all the stupid reactionary nonsense some posters have put on here, but has it not occurred to you that in a truly feminist/equal society, a young woman would not have to be worried about 'repurcussions' from her boyfriend (other than just being broken up with). Can you really not see that feminism would actually have prevented the 'false rape allegation' in this case, because the young woman would not have had to fear violence/abuse/bullying for doing something that while not ideal relationship behaviour, was not really that unusual in first relationships? And in other cases, e.g. where young women have strict religious parents who want to control their sexuality, lying when parents find out about them having had sex etc.

Aside: I've never seen the same level of concern about false assault/burglary allegations as I have about false rape allegations, even though these would equally 'ruin lives' (though not to the extent that actually, you know, being raped ruins lives). Why is this? Why do you only concern yourselves with the rare occasions when women lie, rather than the fact that all human beings lie sometimes, and that this can be damaging, and has bollocks all to do with feminism, more to do with people being a bit crap.

AloneReed · 02/11/2014 10:58

Some men do! otherwise you are saying all cases of date rape are the woman's fault. It it wasn't the man losing self control then it was the woman giving the Green light and then changing her mind and crying rape.

FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 11:00

All cases of date rape stranger rape and any other kind of rape are a direct result of a man sticking his dick where it wasn't wanted.

The man knows exactly where he's sticking his dick. It's not like it just slips in there by accident as he reaches for another bread roll.

A woman changing her mind about sex is not "crying rape" - if she decides she doesn't want to have sex AT ANY POINT then it IS rape.

FluffyMcnuffy · 02/11/2014 11:02

Erm, losing self control is still someone's fault. If I "lose self control" and eat 10 pies and ruin my diet do tell me who's fault that is?

Or are you going to blame the pie maker?

Blistory · 02/11/2014 11:05

MN doesn't support the promotion of rape myths. Not just a feminist view but a rather mainstream one.

Would you like a link ?

Vivacia · 02/11/2014 11:05

Those bloody pies with their short skirts and "come in for... coffee?".

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FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 11:08

Absolutely MyEmpireofDirt - that's exactly what I meant.

FreudiansSlipper · 02/11/2014 11:08

Well if a woman does change her mind about having sex and is forced too then she had been raped is that confusing for you

Rapists do not go about with a label on them

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AloneReed · 02/11/2014 11:10

FluffyNcnuffy I think young women need to be shocked for their own safety. Yes i have daughters (as did many many women before the concept of feminism) and I would just say if they were going out with their tits and arse on show, can you cover up a bit please? and they would completely ignore me! Just I did when I was young. I have also warned them about the dangers of date rape and I would be horrified if either of my daughters went back the house of someone they didn't know for coffee. If she knew them then that's different.

FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 11:11

Why is it different if they know them? Because, you know, they can still be raped by someone they know. In actual fact, that's much more likely than stranger rape.