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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
AryaUnderfoot · 26/10/2014 21:56

YANBU but you were a bit naive about the accommodation.

We stayed in a 'room' and were kept awake for most of the night by the baby in the next 'room' crying all night. On the other side, the children got up at 3 am and demanded snacks. The walls are so thin that you can hear every word spoken next door.

If Butlins gave full refunds for every complaint about noise, they would probably refund every holiday sold.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:56

I find what the OP said about foreign men very offensive.

My DS is swarthy skinned and has been racially abused, despite being British through and through. (not that that matters)

He is also a student and has done manual jobs over his summer holidays to earn money to pay for his degree, which he does not get any funding or help with from the government.

So I find what she said about the men very offensive. And her comments referencing their race and jobs were spurious and irrelevant to her complaint.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 21:57

Op, if you had posted about the lack of assistance, the assurances about same sex groups then I'm pretty sure that almost 100% of posters would have agreed with you. A holiday is a holiday regardless if you have paid £500 or £5000 but implying the men were there for ulterior motives was being unreasonable.

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 21:57

Hypocrital londonrach with your nasty little X at the end of your post!

wannabestressfree · 26/10/2014 21:57

Oldermummy I think you have had a hard time on this thread. Butlins has gone down hill. I took my nan and three boys there and it is hard work to holiday. We needed some help and asked for some reassurances. The holiday was fun but it was some years ago (and I felt I needed another when back!)
I would accept the money and chalk it up to experience. If you want any holiday suggestions for similar set up message me.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:58

Well, all I meant was, I would find a holiday with an elderly mother in need of assistance, a special needs toddler in need of assistance and a baby with special needs in need of a car load of equipment a big ask on my own.

What's wrong with being realistic?

Fabulous46 · 26/10/2014 21:59

It obviously was too much for me. There was no one else who could come and my little girl so desperately wanted to see Angelina Ballerina. Next time I will just stay at home with my elderly mother and my 2 special needs children as we don't deserve any sort of holiday. Obviously I am being very unreasonable, I accept that. Thank you for your responses

Oh stop being a bloody drama lama. From what you describe in your OP YABU especially with your perception of a group of single males and taking photos of males who had done NOTHING to your children. Yes they were loud but you only say you complained ONCE.

wannabestressfree · 26/10/2014 22:00

Smashbox make your mind up love. Why not say that to begin with? I am not offended by what she said I just think she could have said it better. I think she was trying to be factual not offensive!!

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 22:01

Oh good heavens. Her point about the manual labourers was 1. why would they book to stay during "TOTS week" which is an almost valid question and 2. how come they got to stay in expensive guest accommodation and were free to keep guests (who had paid a lot of money) up all night?

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:02

Maybe they didn't know it was "tots week"?

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 22:02

She was grossly offensive. And the men were no threat to her child. At All.

If Butlins didn't help with the cases, she should have stood there and insisted at the beginning.

If the men were noisy, she should have complained more than once, followed up when she didn't get satisfaction after the first complaint.

And not just at the end - and certainly not by taking photos and implying the men were a risk to her child.

wannabestressfree · 26/10/2014 22:03

Mintyy the voice of reason. Thank god.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 22:04

I don't think she implied anything of the sort, she was trying to make out what the reception had told her in amongst a web of lies along with mis selling.

She was expecting a family environment, which you would if you were looking at an ad stating just for tots

*‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no

She had done everything one would reasonably expect to do, to make sure she had the right environment - ie just for tots, NO stag or hen groups or anything like it AND manual help with luggage.

She was failed on all these points.

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 22:04

Yes, maybe they didn't know it was TOTS week is a valid answer. But Butlins told her that tots week was for adults with children under 5. Therefore she has a complaint against Butlins. Can you not see?

londonrach · 26/10/2014 22:05

X means no hard feelings hoping op understood that minty. Correct me if im wrong. I do put a lot of x at end of my comments. Its just me. I really was upset like others by op comments re the men. 99.9% of people are lovely and will help their fellow man, and just because a man is foreign or dresses in such a way doesnt make him a safe guarding issue. That upset me. If she suck to the facts without those comments 100% people would have agreed with her re help, noise etc.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 22:06

Yes, absolutely, she was failed on those points.

But she should have got the confirmation of those points in writing. Or hope that Butlins have a recording of the telephone conversations.

And none of that excuses her dreadful attitude towards the men.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:06

Can someone answer, if it was tots week does that mean anyone without children can't book a break? Genuine question?

I totally agree that if she WAS told that then she has a complain but she has been partially refunded!!

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 22:06

Mintyy Sun 26-Oct-14 22:01:43

Yes, funny isnt it how to some posters these things are always so clear but to others....not so clear. Confused

She was also told no adult groups were allowed.

Sirzy · 26/10/2014 22:07

And butlins responded to those complaints with a 20% refund which realistically is pretty good and it's highly unlikely they will get more back.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 22:08

Well, to her they are a group of men, who were rowdy, and who did cause massive disturbance to other guests who shouldn't have been there according to Butlins who promised her no adult groups.

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 22:08

But it may come down to her saying what she was told and Butlins denying that that assurance was given. It might be even more difficult to substantiate if she doesn't have the name of the person who gave that assurance.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 22:10

From a normal company who cares about its rep and who has proper representation I would expect much more.

Unfrotuanlty we know from past threads and trying to track down who is actually responsible for butlins, its lost in a maze of various companies and there is no one who is really in charge of it.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 22:10

According to the OP, Butlins told her the men may have booked the break well in advance, before the tots week.

She then told Butlins they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this.

I'm sorry but that's crap. How the heck would you know just by looking at someone?

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 22:11

And as previously stated she has had a partial refund offer. I would be inclined to accept it as I also doubt it will be increased.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 22:12

Most companies would be geninly ashamed of the way she was treated, her holiday and the lies she was told. Sadly I don't think Butlins will care at all.

A mum in need of a break with tiny baby and a 2 year old with SN and elderly mum in tow. Awful Sad