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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
QuintessentiallyGhoulish · 26/10/2014 22:13

I am with Mintyy here.

I do think you have cause for complaint.

You booked on the basis of the following:

  1. You asked for assistance, was told you would get it, but none was available.
  1. You were wary of all adult groups, and were told none were accepted during Tots week. You find workers were given premium accommodation, and they were allowed to keep paying guests awake.
Mintyy · 26/10/2014 22:13

It may do Sooty and you seem to hope that this will be the case!

It would not occur to me to ask for that sort of assurance in writing. I would expect a company as large as Butlins to not make promises they would be prepared to deny, especially in the days of Trip Advisor and Twitter.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:13

knitted My holiday was with Thomas Cook, a big and respected company and trying to get money back was like getting blood out of a stone. They don't want to give it back!

And I paid £4500 and had a truly shit 14 days. I got £50 back plus a refund on the room that they failed to give me.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 22:15

Nickynacky - as I drive to work I go down a stretch of road where there are regularly hand written signs about about how bad a holiday someone had with Thomas Cook

morethanpotatoprints · 26/10/2014 22:16

I blame the red coats tbh OP
They aren't what they used to be at all.
We used to have to help on reception on a saturday morning after the late farewell the night before.
I'd have made sure you had help OP. It did used to be a lovely friendly place even if a bit rough round the edges.
It's awful now from what I hear.
Accept what they offer but threaten to go to the papers or Watchdog and see them offer more.
You should have received a much better service.

HowlCapone · 26/10/2014 22:16

my children were put at risk during our stay

How?

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:17

smash that doesn't overly surprise me but why is there handwritten signs? Is it near HQ?

AryaUnderfoot · 26/10/2014 22:17

if it was tots week does that mean anyone without children can't book a break?

I doubt it. I think Butlins have recently radically changed their term-time offering - probably in response to an enormous drop in demand for term-time breaks. The 'just for tots' thing is very new (2014 only).

Anyone who booked before this - such as a construction company wanting to find cheap room-only accommodation for a group of labourers for, say, about 3 weeks, would have no idea of the 'redesignation' of the accommodation.

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 22:18

seem to hope?
I'm just being realistic Mintyy
And perhaps it wouldn't occur to you to get those reassurances in writing, but not everyone is so trusting, me included.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 22:19

No Nicky, very rural and miles away from anywhere there's one that says they steal your luggage.

I'm off work next week but I'll take particular note the next week and let you know what they say.

morethanpotatoprints · 26/10/2014 22:19

Obviously tongue in cheek, its the shoddy management and not enough spent on staff tbh.

Pyjamaramadrama · 26/10/2014 22:20

Oldermummy, I think that your complaints are valid.

You deserve a holiday as much as the next person, you shouldn't have to stay at home just because you have an elderly mother and disabled child.

It sounds as though the holiday was mis sold as they often are and you shouldn't have been kept awake all night by noisy guests. Hmm

The reason you're getting a hard time is because of some of the wording in your op, the men being foreign isn't really relevant and is bordering on offensive, also offensive to suggest that the men were a safeguarding risk because they were 'rough looking', it makes you loose the high ground you see. The men were a pain in the arse and contributed to ruining your holiday but it's unlikely that they were any risk to your children.

You should be able to enjoy a peaceful break whether you're in Butlins or a top hotel. And I'm sorry your holiday was ruined.

If you decide to take it further I'd focus on the noise issue as being mis sold as a children's only holiday where you would expect to be able to get some sleep. And also the lack of help in unloading your stuff. I can see why it took you 3 hours but initially it sounded like an exaggeration because people assumed a few cases at most.

Don't mention what the men looked like or make reference to their assumed nationality as it's not really relevant and is sneery. What's relevant is that it was an all adult, noisy, disruptive group.

Good luck.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:20

That seems a bit random then lol!

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 22:21

Yeah Nicky it is - struck me as most strange when they appeared a few weeks ago.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:24

smashbox

In that case can you make me the following sign......

"They ripped me off for a family room and suggested I invent a imaginary second child to get it. They sold no fresh food in the supermarket but stocked an impressive array of dildos in all shapes and colours".

Many thanks. I would like a photo of my sign.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 22:25

Grin I will take you a picture of one of the signs - they seem to get taken down but go back up again in a day or two.

kali110 · 26/10/2014 22:26

I was all in agreement and had sympathy about the luggage as they promised assistance and they let you down. I have mobility problems so would have taken me ages to get my luggage unpacked.
However your comments regarding 'foreign men' and 'safeguarding issue' are so disgusting and offensive.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:27

I was too pissed off to even look to see if the dildos were value for money. It must have been a bad holiday.

kali110 · 26/10/2014 22:31

Nicky tc have got a lot of bad publicity at the moment!

Silverdaisy · 26/10/2014 22:34

Arethere different receptions at butlins? I have never been, is there also a sliver, bronze etc

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:35

To be fair, it was 3 or 4 years ago but it sticks in my throat. We had one daughter and they refused to give us the family room that we had paid an extra £900 for because we only had one child. Ridiculous.

SpawnOfFrustration · 26/10/2014 22:39

Oof, it's a bit rough in here tonight. I think sometimes people just read the OP's name and decide whether they're going to be horrible or not.

FWIW I think £100 is a bit shitty.

ScaryZ · 26/10/2014 22:39

Bloody hell, this thread is nasty.

I hid it earlier, but it keeps popping up. I wish it had stayed hidden.

No matter how the op worded her post, I'm not entirely sure she deserved some of the comments on here. I'm vaguely amused by the number of "How dare you Shocks" on the first page though, very Discuted of TWish.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 22:42

What's the op's user name got to do with the replies that she got? I had to look at it again as I couldn't remember what it was.

mumwithanipad · 26/10/2014 22:44

My DH is a manual labour and is the sort to book accommodation in advance, sometimes a year or more if he knows a job is starting somewhere. He has sometimes stayed at holiday resorts as they can sometimes be cheaper than a travel lodge.

YANBU to pissed off about no help with luggage that was promised to you, i wouldn't have thought to ask for it writing either.

YANBU to be pissed off at having no sleep for five nights, every place I've stayed in ask you to keep noise to a minimum between 12 and 8 am? YABU with the language you used to describe the men though but I think you'll know that by now.

It sounds like a miserable holiday and you have valid reasons to be annoyed but I would take the £100 and chalk it up to experience as pursuing it further is just going to be more stress. I hope your next holiday goes much better.