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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:44

I never said that you shouldn't go on holiday.

What I said was the experience you had obviously wasn't enjoyable or a nice holiday so take someone with you to help the next time, rather than having to do all the care for two kids with special needs and an elderly mother who can't help.

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 21:45

If anyone makes an assurance to me by telephone regarding the terms and conditions of a booking I always request an email confirming that conversation. I think that's only common sense in case of misunderstanding later on.

londonrach · 26/10/2014 21:45

Sorry proud Sad. Of course op was right...

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:46

I wouldn't take anyone's word over the phone. Maybe I'm a cynical old trout, but I'd get any promises in writing/by email.

Metalguru · 26/10/2014 21:47

OP I agree with you- you deserved better and there are a lot of very catty posters on here tonight, "shouldn't have booked the room if you needed help up the stairs", "shouldn't have booked the holiday at all, what kind of holiday can you possibly have with an elderly mother, and two kids, one disabled" etc. ffs. They gave taken umbrage about your assumptions about the other guests making the noise, and they're taking it out on you instead of responding rationally to the awful time you had. In response to your aibu, I think the £100 is fair enough and the fact they are offering it suggests they know things weren't right. Hope you have a better holiday next time x

raltheraffe · 26/10/2014 21:47

I had the holiday from hell and won £500 compensation, holiday cost us £4000.
A judge will only refund you the whole £500 if there is absolutely zero enjoyment from the holiday and serious breaches of contract.
On a good day in court you would get £300, on a bad day you may get zip. Small claims very much depends on the judge on the day.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:48

Metalguru - you are clearly referencing my post and I never ever said the op should not have booked a holiday at all.

Sirzy · 26/10/2014 21:49

Same iLove. We need any accommodation to be guaranteed pet free and make sure that is always either written on the booking confirmation or emailed to us as a confirmation after booking just incase there is a problem upon arrival.

AryaUnderfoot · 26/10/2014 21:49

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Butlins weren't in serious financial sh*t at the moment. They can't give their holidays away during term-time (thanks to Gove) and they've seriously over-invested in hotels in Bognor.

We had two great holidays there are one (the most recent) not-so-great one. I would never go back again.

bloodyteenagers · 26/10/2014 21:49

I always get email confirmation as well. Because, sales people have never been known to bend the truth/exaggerate when trying to make a sale.

You would also think that Butlins would be more accommodating in helping, considering all the custom they get from family fund.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 21:49

We have someone with SN in my family London and no men in my family would behave like that, go to butlins or dream of disrupting a well earned rest of a family like that.

raltheraffe · 26/10/2014 21:49

I really do not think people saying "well I would have got it in writing" and "why did you book this holiday" etc are being helpful.
Lets all be really smug and insult OP for going to Butlins and not Centerparcs.

Sirzy · 26/10/2014 21:51

It's not being smug, it will hopefully help prevent the op encountering similar problems on future holidays.

PiperIsOrangePumpkins · 26/10/2014 21:51

My father is a manual worker and I find it very offensive that you are implying that manual workers are a threat the children.

Also buttons have trolleys to take language.

When my family went our key cards kept failing, in total 10 times but butlins staff was amazing and gave the children a few freebies like a bily bear towel, a teddy and cups. Also a free meal.

OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 21:51

I apologise if I have offended everyone. I will ask to have this thread removed.

OP posts:
peasandlove · 26/10/2014 21:52

god there's some nasty people on here. It sounds like you had a shit time and YANBU

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 21:52

smashbox - all of your comments about whether op should have chosen this holiday or not are completely spurious.

peasandlove · 26/10/2014 21:53

you've only offended people because you posted in AIBU, so everyone picks apart the OP to find something they can be offended about so they can say yes YABU. Ignore them.

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 21:53

I think the point about whether the assurances were in writing are pertinent to the OP ral as they affect whether she's likely to get more than the sum offered if she takes it further.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 26/10/2014 21:53

Yanbu you have a perfectly valid complaint just you lose credibility when make such judgemental sweeping generalisations. You'll get a lot further sticking to the facts.

Metalguru · 26/10/2014 21:54

Smash box. You wrote:
"Look. Leaving aside your comments about the workers.
You went on holiday by yourself as carer for an elderly mother, who you imply needed extra help, a two year old with special needs and a baby with special needs.
That ain't a holiday in my book, so I'd chalk it up to experience and take someone who could carry cases and actually help me the next time, since it was obviously too much for you."

You assume there is someone to help next time. And the implication is, what was she thinking daring to attempt a holiday in those circumstances. In my experience, this kind of circumstances are when you need a holiday most!

raltheraffe · 26/10/2014 21:54

You have not offended me at all. I hate threads like this when OP just gets a panning. Some very judgy people on MN

londonrach · 26/10/2014 21:54

Well done op it does need removing. Repost with the facts which is you were promised help and wont given it. Remove ref to men apart from the noise late at night. X

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 21:54

No, don't do that OlderMummy. You do appear to have offended some people and I supposed you could apologise. Or they could re-read your op properly and soberly and take on board what you actually said.

raltheraffe · 26/10/2014 21:56

Perhaps just remove the bit about foreign men being a risk to children.