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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
AryaUnderfoot · 26/10/2014 21:32

From my experience of Butlins, you only have to whisper in your apartment to keep the neighbours awake. The soundproofing really is that awful. You are not the first person to discover this - a very cursory glance at TripAdvisor should have warned you.

Consider it a valuable lesson and move on. Be grateful that you didn't pay around a thousand quid to stay there in the school holidays.

londonrach · 26/10/2014 21:32

Ahh x posted. Can see why took three hours and yes so,eone should have helped you.

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 21:33

It took you 25 trips? Why didn't you leave the none essentials in the car until a staff member could become available? I appreciate you had specialist equipment for the baby but you were only away for 5 days.

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 21:33

Perhaps the OP would also feel that couples with no children were a safeguarding issue.
And unless she has these offers of assistance in writing I think she's lucky to be offered the £100 and would be well advised to accept it.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:35

Look. Leaving aside your comments about the workers.

You went on holiday by yourself as carer for an elderly mother, who you imply needed extra help, a two year old with special needs and a baby with special needs.

That ain't a holiday in my book, so I'd chalk it up to experience and take someone who could carry cases and actually help me the next time, since it was obviously too much for you.

Sirzy · 26/10/2014 21:35

Surely in those circumstances it would have been better to not book given you knew you wouldn't be ground floor therefore it would be an issue. Surely you didn't expect a member of staff to spend 3 hours (or an hour and a half if you helped) lugging stuff around?

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 21:36

older Flowers it sounds grim, I dont think your going to get much joy tonight on MN though.

on past threads you would have had lots of support.

Can you tweet? Have you tweeted, thats what last poster did and some guy called James came on but he actually lied on the thread? Confused which is why I have zero faith in them.

london

Yes I agree with you Please complain op as butlins will enjoy your complaint. Might win their xmas best complaints this year .From what I have read about Butlins on here and their awful customer service I can well imagine them all laughing and enjoying the thought of a tired new mother, traipsing around with breathing equipment, and a disabled toddler and an elderly mother, without the help they were promised.

Just about The Low Level of humanity one could expect from them.

AryaUnderfoot · 26/10/2014 21:37

Actually, I don't think it's necessarily the childless people at Butlins that cause a safeguarding issue. Often, it's parents. Sometimes it's children.

OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 21:38

It obviously was too much for me. There was no one else who could come and my little girl so desperately wanted to see Angelina Ballerina. Next time I will just stay at home with my elderly mother and my 2 special needs children as we don't deserve any sort of holiday. Obviously I am being very unreasonable, I accept that. Thank you for your responses.

OP posts:
raltheraffe · 26/10/2014 21:38

You have the option to take this to small claims for loss of enjoyment and breach of contract. You will not get the whole £500 back, but may get £250.

I guess it depends on whether you want all the hassle of writing out the court bundle and attending court.

Up to you really.

RockinHippy · 26/10/2014 21:39

YANBU - I would be very p'd off at this too, you asked all the right questions & were mislead, they did nothing to help resolve the matters that arose when you asked whilst there - very shoddy service all round

Yes, take it further - good luck

Mintyy · 26/10/2014 21:39

Op, I think all your concerns and complaints are quite reasonable, I really do Flowers but if you decide to take your formal complaint further then you must distill thoughts down to the key issues which are 1. no help with luggage, 2. very serious and disruptive night-time noise disturbance from a non-family group.

Speculating about these men and their origins and motives will not help you to make a persuasive case because the bods from Butlins could just argue with you over the side issues, instead of the key issues (just as most people replying on this thread have done).

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 21:39

If that help was so crucial why rely on telephone conversations and neglect to get the confirmation in writing?

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 21:39

If the room wasn't suitable due to stairs, why did you book it?

She booked it because she asked if there would be help and she was told:"yes".,

Is that really so hard to understand?

raltheraffe · 26/10/2014 21:40

When my ex was a kid he was approached by a paedo in either Pontins or Butlins (cannot remember which). This was 40 years ago though.

ProudAS · 26/10/2014 21:40

Give the OP a break MNERS. I'm not saying she was completely in the right with her photos and assumptions but people tend to do slightly irrational things after stress and sleep deprivation.

She was promised assistance but not given it which was unacceptable and possibly discrimination given party members' special needs.

Whilst the group of lads may have booked before the decision to make it a tots break it is totally out of order that their inconsiderate behaviour was allowed to continue.

bloodyteenagers · 26/10/2014 21:41

So if the group had been all female, it wouldn't have been a safe guarding issue?
Why do you think it was a safe guarding issue?

Did you get anything from the phone call in writing - only children, help with luggage etc?

Why didn't you kick up more of a fuss whilst onsite? Surely if it was as bad as you are claiming, you would have been in reception hassling them, rather than going in once.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 26/10/2014 21:41

Why on earth would she need to get it in writing when someone on the phone said yes.

Or are you expecting some legal agreement drawn up I love and biked over to them at butlins to sign Confused.

One would hope the person she spoke to was a reasonably intelligent and knowledgeable person and would know what they are talking about seeing as its their job, to ......pick up the phone and ansa queries and make bookings?

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:41

Well, I hope she got all the promises of help in writing and made them part of the terms and conditions of her booking.

VisualiseAHorse · 26/10/2014 21:41

I would be a bit peeved that I rang the security number three times and no one answered?
What kind of security is that?

ilovesooty · 26/10/2014 21:42

And no one said you should stay at home because you didn't deserve any sort of holiday.

smashboxmashbox · 26/10/2014 21:42

If it was that bad, she should have gone to reception every day until it was all sorted. Instead of going once, and then only complaining when she was leaving.

It's a bit like eating the whole meal, and only complaining at the end.

londonrach · 26/10/2014 21:43

Knitted its more ops comments re those men butlins will find amusing! Re read what she wrote and imagine one of them being your dh or dbro away with friends.

Icimoi · 26/10/2014 21:43

Nobody made you go. If the room wasn't suitable due to stairs, why did you book it?

Maybe because she was told that they would provide people to help?

Nicknacky · 26/10/2014 21:44

But that's why the op needs to stick the the complaint at the heart of it. The lack of assistance. And for that she has been reimbursed £100 of a £500 holiday. Speculating as to the motives of other guests was unnecessary.

For what it's worth, I paid £4500 for a holiday with a family room and when we got there they wouldn't give it to me as we only had one child, not two. Had a fight on my hands and got £50 compensation. That's the long story short.

£100 is a good offer.

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