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To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!

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OlderMummy1 · 26/10/2014 20:57

I wrote a letter of complaint to Butlins about a month ago after an absolutely appalling stay there. They replied yesterday (bang on the 28 days they have to reply) stating that they were sorry we were not happy and offered us £100 refund.

I am not happy with this as we had the most awful time. We went to Butlins at Skegness for the ‘Just for Tots’ week from 15th -19th September. We paid over £500 for 5 days in a gold apartment with premier dining with B line passes.

When I telephoned to book the holiday I enquired about the ages of the children who could attend the ‘Just For Tots’ break. I was advised that it would be adults with children under 5, although older siblings were welcome. I asked if any all-adult groups were allowed and was told categorically no. This convinced us to book the holiday as we had heard horror stories about hen/stag groups at Butlins. I also asked if there would be anyone to help us with our luggage as I would be travelling with my elderly mother, my 2 year old with special needs and my 6 month old. I was told that if I went to the Gold Reception someone would be able to assist me. This was particularly important as we were unable to book a ground floor room as they were all taken.

Upon arrival after a 4 hour trip I asked at Gold Reception for some assistance with luggage and was told that no one was available and we would have to do it ourselves. This took me 3 hours to do on my own, in between breastfeeding a baby, whilst my mother looked after the children. It was a very hot day and was utterly unpleasant.
That night we were all awoken at 1.30am by what sounded like a lot of drunk people going up the stairs next to our apartment. We were then kept awake until 5am by bumping, banging, laughing, shouting etc. It sounded like a group of men, although obviously we were sure that they must have children in there as we had been told adult groups were not allowed. We tried to phone the security number 3 times but there was no answer.

I complained at the Gold Reception the next day and a very harassed receptionist wrote my room number on a scrap of paper and said she would look into it. I never heard anything else.

The next night exactly the same happened, although at about 3am it sounded like some women turned up and joined in the drunk shenanigans. This continued every night of our stay.

When we left the apartment on the Friday I went to Gold Reception to ask if we could have some help with bringing the luggage down from the apartment. The receptionist told me that ‘we don’t do that due to the risk of damage to items’ which was completely contradictory to everything I had been told previously. I therefore had to struggle with our luggage myself. The cleaning staff then started to harass us at 9.30am to get into the apartment and we had to actually argue with them in order to get them to wait until 10am.

When I was packing the car I saw the people in the apartment above start to leave. I thought it would be interesting to see who came out as we had been unable to see hide nor hair of anyone. Imagine our shock and horror when 4 rough looking males came out and appeared to walk in the direction of the train station. I took a photograph of them and went immediately to complain to Gold Reception. First I was told that they must be people who had booked their break years in advance, before the Just For Tots breaks were arranged. I said that they were definitely not the sort of people to have done this. I was then told that they must be workers who they have to accommodate. This was much more likely as most of them were foreign and they looked like manual labourers. I was absolutely furious! We had paid a large amount of money for the best accommodation and Butlins thought it appropriate to put workers above us, who were out drinking until all hours and who carried on drinking thoughout the night. Why on earth they weren’t put into the staff accommodation or the caravans opposite I have no idea.

I believe that this was a safeguarding issue as these men could have been anyone. I was also concerned that if they were working on-site during the day they had been heavily drinking all night.

I believe that the advertising was misleading, the information I received over the telephone was incorrect and that my children were put at risk during our stay. All of us suffered healthwise from having hardly any sleep for 4 nights.

In their reply, Butlins stated that they had had no other complaints... blah de blah and that the people in that apartment were NOT contractors. They then implied that if people lie about who is on the booking then that is not their fault. I find this reply even more worrying! If 4 men go to the trouble of booking during a Just For Tots break, making up and paying for an imaginary child, then surely this needs investigation.

I am unhappy about accepting their offer of £100 and feel I should take it further. Luckily I have a brother in law who is a solicitor so he should be able to help me.

What would others do?

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 28/10/2014 09:32

The OP seems to have started several threads between booking and taking this break which rather made me think she was worried that it wouldn't meet her needs in terms of the ambience or her fellow guests. It must have been rotten to be sleep deprived but in view of her concerns I'm still surprised she put such faith in telephone assurances. I'm still of the opinion that the compensation offer is reasonable.

KnittedJimmyBoos · 28/10/2014 09:41

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Nicknacky · 28/10/2014 09:47

knitted why on earth would you copy and paste that onto this thread?

I'm sure it will really help the op to have her hard times posted in other threads, you know, just in case she has forgotten.

If the op thought that was relevant, she would have said so on this thread. I suggest you get it removed.

jellybelly701 · 28/10/2014 09:48

It has nothing to do with 'ego' people have pointed out that she was being blatantly sexist and offensive towards men, and rightly so.

I did read it in context. The hotel staff told her those men must have booked in advance but clearly not as they wasn't 'the type' and must have 'lied about having children' which is 'surely a bit iffy' and 'in need of investigation'

What's innocent about that? If the staff hadn't have told her that the men must have booked in advance I would see you point, but as it stands they did tell her. She chose not to believe that and instead chose to believe that they must have invented an imaginary child and was some sort of threat to her and her children.

that is what I am taking issue with. not because my ego is bruised but because if it was the other way around and the sexism/offense was directed towards a woman I would take would take offense and point it out.

it doesn't matter how many children/ children with disabilities a person may have or how hard of a time they might be going through. it doesn't give you a free pass to be sexist and offensive. Sexism is not okay whether it is aimed at men or women.

ilovesooty · 28/10/2014 09:48

I think that does affect your perspective on this thread Knitted - understandably so. I on tthe other hand am seeing something slightly different which I think is having an effect on my perspective which I think is also understandable.
Both are probably relevant to the situation. Yes the OP has had a rough time but she also seems to have had significant issues with the potential for the holiday before she even went on it.

Heels99 · 28/10/2014 09:49

What did your brother in law say op?

UsedtobeFeckless · 28/10/2014 10:07

Frankly the pissed-up persons next door could have been the angel Gabrial and all the little cherubim out on a jolly but if they kept me and my children up all night with their antics I'd be furious and want it sorting out.

I work in a tourist attraction and people ring up asking about disabled access and what not all the time - if any of them asked me to confirm in writing I would think they were mad! The OP is justified in being highly peeved but I'm not sure she'll get a better offer than 100 so I'd probably take it and make a mental note to never darken their doors again.

rgalvin7 · 09/10/2015 12:40

Are you all serious?
You are all parents and i'm quite shocked nd appalled you aren't supporting this mum.
She wasn't saying the men were perverts, she said Butlins clearly cannot safeguard children if people are able to book without caring who turns up.
Have you all gone daft. Also the men wore workwear covered in paint....what were they dolphin trainers then?
Final rant, why is it we are not actually allowed to say foreigner, black, asian...the list goes on. Grow some b*s we're british and I'm sorry but if i was in another country that i wasn't born in then i am a foreigner no?
Ok she made an assumption, so you have never done that, any of you?
Disgraceful, especially as Butlins is an absolute Jeremy Kyle hellhole, i went in September and it is awful in every way. Fair play to you oldermummy

VodkaValiumLattePlease · 09/10/2015 12:44

I'm sure they care A YEAR LATER galvin Hmm

wasonthelist · 09/10/2015 12:57

Like others on here I was 100% with you until the sneering started. I think you have a case for more compensation, due to the inaccurate info and miserable time, but not the other stuff where you a def BU.

BTW Butlins has a reputation for noise and frolics as you knew - I wouldn't take the word of the one organisation trying to sell me something that their reputation was undeserved.

CwtchesAndCuddles1 · 09/10/2015 12:57

The golden rule if you have issues on holiday is to complain at the time. You should have addressed all of the issues as they arose and asked to be moved. It's no good waiting until you come home, you need to give them the opportunity to sort it out straight away.

wasonthelist · 09/10/2015 12:58

Argggghhh zombie thread

ghostyslovesheep · 09/10/2015 13:00

THIS THREAD IS A YEAR OLD ...

To reject £100 refund offer from BUTLINS after holiday from hell!
hobnobsaremyfavourite · 09/10/2015 13:07

It's a zombie thread no idea why on earth someone would feel the need to resurrect this one

MTGlass · 09/10/2015 13:09

I'm so going to put a bobble on my cat when he comes home Grin

Janeymoo50 · 09/10/2015 13:19

FGS - if your BIL is a Sol he would have no doubt given you proper advice by now on any breach of contract between you and Butlins.

How on earth were your children put at risk? Your "complaint" sounds seriously exagerrated for dramatic effect and I lost sympathy soon after you pretty much demanded porterage at Butlins.

You've been offered a partial refund, a not unreasonable amount IMO.

You sound like the holiday guest from hell.

shutupanddance · 09/10/2015 13:24

I have not rtft. Op I don't think you are BU. the holiday sounds like hell. I hope you get compensated.

WhyCantIuseTheNameIWant · 09/10/2015 13:55

Financial ombudsman?

What do you expect the outcome to be?

You still had your holiday, even if they did lie to you...

wasonthelist · 09/10/2015 14:25

Zombie thread!!

BreconBeBuggered · 09/10/2015 14:42

Sometimes I can see that a poster has done a search and commented perhaps without noticing the big red ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT at the bottom. This time I'm fascinated. What brought you here, rgalvin?

Unreasonablebetty · 09/10/2015 15:14

I would love to know what manual labourers look like??
funnily enough I've seen and been on many building sites, never have been able to tell manual labourers on sight, especially whilst on holiday...

MoriartyIsMyAngel · 09/10/2015 15:19

The thread is a year old! But I hope you did sue them OP, you said nothing wrong, did nothing wrong, and Butlins is an arsehole of a company to go on holiday with.

It's good to get a reminder that AIBU was just as pack-of-cunts-like a year ago too. I thought the deterioration was more recent.

Janeymoo50 · 09/10/2015 15:41

I didn't think not agreeing with a post made me a "see you next Tuesday" - hey, I learn something every day.

whatsbehindthegreendoor · 09/10/2015 15:52

I know this is a 'zombie' thread, but Rgalvin7, I think you're really out of order to say Butlin's is a Jeremy Kyle hellhole! You may have been unlucky on your trip but I have been there countless times and it certainly isn't the way you've portrayed it to be. Your attitude is horrible, and a bit offensive, to be honest.

PeasinPod1 · 09/10/2015 16:13

Shocked at the venom on this thread directed at the OP.

If any of you had booked a holiday where people next door started an all night party which went on every night in a completely inconsiderate, rude, selfish manner- and paid money for the privilege- you'd also be fuming.
Given these men showed so little thought for their neighbours and contributed to basically ruining a much needed holiday, how can you say the OP has been unfair in her negative feelings towards them?

Yes she shouldn't have gone there re. making assumptions about nationality as not relevant at all- but other comments are completely fair. They weren't the victims in this yet so many are jumping to the defence of selfish idiots who behaved in a pretty disgusting way without giving two hoots about anyone else's welfare.