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AIBU to wonder why the feck teacher training days can't be delivered in the holidays.

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Billynomates71 · 20/10/2014 20:06

Anyone?

OP posts:
howdoyousolvethisproblem · 20/10/2014 22:07

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.

Love it.
Thanks to all the non teacher teacher support.
I came on here for some light relief after 4 additional hours of school work.
Should have read a book ??

ATruthUniversallyAcknowledged · 20/10/2014 22:07

Oops. I've deducted a house point from myself for my typo too.

BrockAuLit · 20/10/2014 22:08

Got it. Didn't know that.

I'm assuming this is all about the State system. Maybe some proper organisation at LEA level might help everyone here: teachers who don't want to disrupt the term's teaching flow, parents trying to organise childcare (like it or not, this is an issue that most adults with children - including teachers - have to deal with) and the children themselves. It can't be beyond the wit of man to ensure external, third party providers provide training to a schedule. Who has the upper hand here anyway? Plus, it's not like the school year isn't ingrained into everyone, childless or not.

I may just have forgotten what the UK is like - from the outside it looks like a really silly conundrum that need not exist, given a bit of thought and planning.

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet · 20/10/2014 22:09

Haha, clam, they got me wine for christmas, whereas all you got me was a stoopid coloured-in card. That is why.
Also, in my head RIGHT NOW I am Steve Austen, doing that special s l o o o w running, but wearing a mob cap and worrying about who I'm going to marry. This is because there are a ton of reports to deal with and I'd much rather play with you lot. Must go, though. Adieu.

howdoyousolvethisproblem · 20/10/2014 22:10

Ps P6s extended writing jotters are making me weep. With frustration. Punctuation is necessary!! And finger spaces!! And I've still got another ten to do. Cries into tea. :(

Stopmithering · 20/10/2014 22:10

Well I presume that somewhere along the line someone thought it would actually be easier to cover child are one day at a time here and there rather than a whole week all together.
Makes sense to me.

howdoyousolvethisproblem · 20/10/2014 22:11

Oops. P6's ... Punctuation is necessary Blush

ghostyslovesheep · 20/10/2014 22:15

here he is about to jump in the lake...

AIBU to wonder why the feck teacher training days can't be delivered in the holidays.
Leela5 · 20/10/2014 22:21

lemon Smile thank you

Caff2 · 20/10/2014 22:24

Currently I work in a well known supermarket on minimum wage. I am paid for the hours I work. After half term, I am returning to teaching, where I will be paid for the hours I work too. In my supermarket job, I get paid considerably less per hour, but am still paid FOR THE HOURS I WORK.

Does that make sense, OP?

RufusTheReindeer · 20/10/2014 22:29

ghosty

I HAD A STEVE AUSTIN DOLL TOO!

JuxtheDaemonVampire · 20/10/2014 22:31

I used to go in to dd's primary school to help the children read. I have never seen anyone work as hard as the teacher's there, dd's year 3 teacher in particular. So much energy, so much interest, so much stimulation, so inventive and resourceful, and so patient and so much fun. She was amazing.

Teachers are the best thing since sliced bread, imo, and are not properly valued in our society, like so many public sector workers. They should be the one's earning the top 10%, we have everything upside down these days. As far as I'm concerned, they should be revered. It's not a job I'd ever be able to do.

aJumpedUpPantryBoy · 20/10/2014 22:36

Ahhh, Jux.
What a lovely post.

I love my job, I love being with the children and consider it a privilege to be with them in the classroom.

Posters like billy make me wonder why I bother but your post is lovely.

educatingarti · 20/10/2014 22:42

A quick comparison:

A fairly new teacher on £25000 per year working 195 days per year. 25,000 divided by 195 is about £128 per working day.

A fairly new nurse on £25000 per year working 3 x 12 (or 12.5) hour shifts per week (this is considered full time). 25000 divided by 3 divided by 47 is about £177 per shift. I'm working on the basis of 47 weeks not 48 because of bank holidays which most people get in addition to their leave entitlement. Most bank holidays (apart from the May one) occur in school holidays so they are part of the weeks that teachers are already not contracted for. I'm guessing that if a nurse worked a bank holiday s/he would get a day off in lieu or get paid overtime but I'm willing to be corrected on this

Of course you can argue that teachers don't work 12.5 hour days but
a) many do work a fairly close eqivalent to that in term time especially when all the weekend work is added into the mix;
b) they aren't getting paid as much per day the nurse is per shift;
c)and then of course they also do extra work in the "so called" holidays (for which, in the above calculations I have not counted them as getting paid)

So this seems to be not far off an equivalent by my reckoning with teachers perhaps being a bit worse off.

Nobody seems to think that nurses have a cushy job or that they should take time from their annual leave because a poster's child was not seen quickly enough in A and E (for example). I really don't see why anyone thinks that teachers have it easier that other public sector workers.

By the way, I'm absolutely not knocking nurses who do a fantastic job and work hard under all sorts of pressures - just picked it to make a comparison. It would be interesting to do similar types of calculations for other public sector professionals ( fire-fighter, police officer?)

arethereanyleftatall · 20/10/2014 22:44

Love your post jux, was just about to attempt to write a similar one!!
I luvs teachers I do, and I think they are totally underpaid for the wonderful work they do.
Op you mentioned upthread that teaching wouldn't be challenging enough for you, I would say that the opposite would be true and that's just your get-out-clause for why you don't become a teacher. No offense, I don't think you could do it, from the insight you've given us on this thread regarding your personality. I don't think you would have the empathy, or indeed the general 'niceness' that's required. I don't think you have enough tolerance of others, or the patience that us required. The role would be far far too challenging for you. Sorry.

ghostyslovesheep · 20/10/2014 22:44

yay Rufus my adopted MN chum Grin I loved his bionic eye Grin

ChillingGrinBloodLover · 20/10/2014 22:44

Okay, okay... it was just a few fuckoffs and a bit of goadiness (possibly an understatement)

I can't imagine that there's a person left on the internet who doesn't understand the salary structure

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet you are shaping up nicely GrinWine

Momagain1 · 20/10/2014 22:52

I could see scheduling them right before or after holidays. Last month we had a thursday and friday off, and the next week a friday and monday. Some were holiday, some were teacher days, why not put all 4 in one week? Or Thurs through Tues?

Wolfiefan · 20/10/2014 22:56

Hahahahahaha!
MN quote of the week!
"This thread is proof that you can't educate pork!"
Love it!
And parents like the OP are the people who drive teachers to gin and breakdowns. (Not necessarily in that order!)

CalmerChamaeleon · 20/10/2014 22:59

If you don't want to put up with state education, you can always opt out you know. When you opted in to the system, the 5 INSET days per year were already established, so not really a surprise.
You now have three options:

  1. Put up with the current position
  2. Home educate or
  3. Go private
statementtotheedge · 20/10/2014 23:01

Yanbu in my opinion

ghostyslovesheep · 20/10/2014 23:08

hahahaha Grin

JuxtheDaemonVampire · 20/10/2014 23:10

Oh gosh, I've just seen all those apostrophes in my post Blush. No one would believe I went to a prep school and actually learnt correct English grammar! See, if I'd gone to a state school all those ' ' ' wouldn't be there! Grin. I must have become a grocer without realising!

Sprink · 20/10/2014 23:15

TIL that children in the UK are "entitled" to 190 days per year of teaching and teachers in the UK are contracted to work 195 days per year.

Also, TIL that on mumsnet.com, Biscuit means "biscuit," and not "arsehole," as I assumed.

Wowthishurtsalot · 20/10/2014 23:20

I'm confused. Doesn't take much

I get the pro rata hours inset days and all that jazz but what I've never understood is why teachers get so angry about people asking and making genuine enquiries about how systems work, why it always descends into a bun fight.

a lot of people may not realise children only are entitled to 190 days contact time and teachers are contracted for 195 so questions like the OP will arise when yet again you're being asked to take another day off from your limited AL to cater to an unplanned inset or snow day.

I'm so lucky, our school is always open in snow and it's so rare round here it always makes the local paper. But it angers others at work because we get into work - ok sometimes late - but nonetheless we get there and again it smacks of teachers wanting preferential treatment, it probably isn't but that is how it comes across.

Before you throw up the 'train to be a teacher' link I'm thinking of it because the hours, t&c's etc are so much better than my current line of work and I already work with that age group. But I doubt any teacher would ever make the break across to my line of work...it's often cited as the least liked aspect of teaching when you encounter people in my line of work...

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