AIBU to wonder why the feck teacher training days can't be delivered in the holidays.

[Billynomates71]

Anyone?

OP, would you like some and ?

(That nice enough YetAnotherHelenMumsnet?)

Are you actually Michael Gove, Billy?

Leela that's so brilliantly put. That's what I was trying to write but the sheer twattishness of the OP my anger got in the way.

for you!

clam I think you are failing to achieve the lesson objective - billy hasn't yet grasped the key idea

So you 'happen to believe teachers get a ft wage' oh ok....and you are who in the educating world.
So you actually want your children in school for 48 weeks of the year!? That intense, relenting presurre to make progress for as many working weeks as an adult. Seriously ? The 14 weeks holidays are for the kids.

Do you think we need to remind potential parents before they have unprotected sex?

Euphemia I wish my teaching in tertiary ed was anything like your dh's experience!

I'm not responding to the OP as it's pretty clear she either doesn't, or doesn't want to understand or listen to what people are saying.

But to anyone else reading the thread, I started working in a school three weeks ago (I'm not a teacher) and although I knew teachers weren't exactly skipping out the door at 3.30pm I am absolutely godsmacked at how much they have to do. It's constant and I can't see how any teacher gets to retirement age without completely burning out. I had NO idea.

Helen I have gin and kittens

I almost didn't have gin due to mad tearing around being done by kittens - managed to save it just in time!

Ok, this is my last post.

I don't understand why teachers get a ft salary £22-27k (starting), but are only contracted for 190 days a year. It just doesn't make sense to me.

That's all.

www.education.gov.uk/get-into-teaching

Sigh.... teachers don't like training days and have to make allowances for their own kids when these things happen.
I spent 6 hours last week on Sunday marking coursework essays. I then spilled over a further 3 hours the next night to finish. I don't really get whole weekends as something usually pops up and when school holidays roll round I end up devoting that time to it as well unless I have a holiday. I didn't have a break one easter due to annotating coursework for 6 hours a day for a top set of 32.
Do I get paid well? Yes I do. Do I like the holidays? Find me a teacher who'd do the job without them. Do I get 13 weeks a year with my feet up? Absolutely not. I do love how cushy people think the job is. I struggle to make plans some weeks as I don't know what will come up and the guilt that comes with enjoying a day off at the weekend is made worse by knowing you have a stack of stuff to do, goals to meet and parents who moan that we can't babysit for them 5 days a year. Read that, 5 whole days. We used to only have 3 and did the rest as twilight, because 3 hours training tagged on your working day is just what everyone wants.
I bring home so much work each week and get fed up of defending myself. You think it's cushy? Be an English teacher for a term around exam season. Oh so cushy!

Prick.

Well, Billy, it's an interesting idea getting teachers to work 48 weeks of the year. You would have to significantly increase salary to do that, as most would find they were working for less than the minimum wage after totting up all the hours they do.

As I said - it had to be a wind-up ...

I'm also assuming the OP home schools, as surely they wouldn't dream of sending their child into the care of people that he/she has so little respect for?

We have had three NQT's leave our school and teaching after 12-18 months ( all second professions so previous "real-life" experience!) as they have been unable to keep up with the sheer volume of work they needed to do, including one ex military who said teaching was worse than being in the army and he had never worked as hard in his life!

I'm not sure why you keep calling it a full time salary.

It is pay for a job.

The job consists of 195 days, 1265 hours or whatever it takes to get it done

Billy - please answer the question that's been asked many times.

If you had booked a week's annual leave, would you be willing to go into work on one of those days to take part in training, without pay?

www.education.gov.uk/get-into-teaching

It's a profession requiring further training beyond a degree and qualification after a probationary year hence the starting salary.

This is like part two of the supersoak thread. Except the OP appears to have considerably less grey matter...

And our pay and conditions are nothing to do with your original question.

I think you are just being goady and aggravating

That was a cracking thread

"I don't understand why teachers get a ft salary £22-27k (starting), but are only contracted for 190 days a year. It just doesn't make sense to me."

Because.... oh what's the point?

I'm off.

Jeezo! This thread is proof that you can't educate pork.