AIBU to wonder why the feck teacher training days can't be delivered in the holidays.

[Billynomates71]

Anyone?

Why can't that day be done next week, on Monday that question has been answered repeatedly - you don't seem to be grasping it

or do you want teachers to do training unpaid on days they aren't contracted to work

you are either being goady or obtuse

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carly I agree with the last bit of your 21.21 post. When my kids have an inset day the school I work at (not as a Teacher) is still open meaning I have to find childcare so I can go to work. If they were co ordinated it would be a lot easier.

But for the time being it isn't so I'll have to suck it up.

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I'm sorry, but the teacher in me has to correct countries to country's.

More training required for you, billy. How about next week, when you're on holiday?

obtuse

You keep saying you get it, billy, but you clearly don't, as you're repeating the very question that has been answered many, many times on here.

Let's assume, billy, that next Monday is the INSET day that causes your child to stay at home from school. The rest of the week is holiday. Cool. The following Monday, just one day, is also holiday so again you need to look after them. Either way, it adds up to six days' holiday for your dc and five days' holiday for the teachers.

Would you rather the summer holiday was extended by a week, so teachers could get all their INSET days over and done with at once, at a more convenient time to you?

Billy. If we used next monday as inset then that day would be owed back as a holiday. We could put all 5 days together and add an extra week to may or feb half term. Do all the training, moderating, learning about the new curriculum etc in one random week, to suit childcare needs.
Also you could work part time, cut your cloth accordingly, smaller house, reduce spending so that you don't need to work ft ?

Hold on a minute - I can't keep up with thus monumental flaming. I am asking why ttd's can't be taken in the holidays.

I did not blame teachers for this in my OP however this thread seems to have become about teachers and how hard done by they are.

I got a multitude of responses telling me how hard teachers work and how it's been taken off their holidays and they don't get paid to work in the holidays (????) or should get paid more. I do happen to believe that teachers get paid a ft salary and should be expected to work ft -that is 48 weeks. www.education.gov.uk/get-into-teaching/about-teaching/salary

Hi all,
We have received a significant number of reports regarding this thread, so I'm going to have a look through it now. In the meantime, though, could everyone be nice and kind and fluffy so that it doesn't generate any more complaints? You are most kaind.

They can't be taken in the holidays because
a) they were taken from the holidays originally
b) teachers are paid for 195 days - that 190 days teaching and 5 days training
c) pupils are entitled to 190 days education, not 195

they do NOT GET PAID FOR THE HOLIDAYS

their pay is for 195 pro rata over 12 months - which has been repeatedly posted on this thread

so they would be unpaid for 'going in on the holidays'

also

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We do work 48 weeks a year, just not in school! The children are in school for 190 days, teachers are in school an extra five days and the rest we work at home as the schools are locked!

"Also you could work part time, cut your cloth accordingly, smaller house, reduce spending so that you don't need to work ft ?"

Because, newsflash, when you have children, there are times during the year when they won't be at school and you have to make arrangements for them. Get over it, and stop blaming teachers, who have nothing whatsoever to do with the problem you're facing. We don't set the term dates, or the INSET days, or decide whether you can have an authorised absence. Do you understand?

My children love their school holidays, as did I all those years ago.
I don't want school to be open more than it currently us.
Crikey, childhood is over too quickly anyway.
The holidays are the only real perk left in teaching. Leave it be.

Oh dear, this is a daft thread. My mum retired from 35 years as a teacher 2 years ago. She went into school every morning at 8am and left at 6pm even though kids were in 9-3:15. She would have her tea then do her marking or lesson planning 7 until midnight. Half term and holidays were spent lesson planning, marking or writing reports. She worked hard and lost a lot of family time for her job. She loved her job and was a brilliant teacher!

OP you are being disrespectful to my brilliant mum and the thousands of other brilliant teachers who pick up where you leave off at 9am every morning and make your kids able to become a doctor, a lawyer or even a pharmacist like you. But it doesn't matter to you does it, they are just teachers and their job is easy, right?

You wouldn't be a pharmacist if some teachers hadn't taught you how to read, write and do maths. How quickly you forgot that and decided you were better than them!

Honestly, this thread makes me so upset. When did we think it's ok to start judging everybody else's lives and jobs.

Teachers' conditions are different to the average employee. For example, they get zero choice in when to have holidays. On the other side of the fence, they get longer holidays than most.

Time and again it has been shown that the average hours worked by teachers x 40 weeks, is MORE than the average working week (40 hours) x 48 weeks a year (plus 8 bank holidays). Teachers are already doing MORE than full time hours.

Wow, Euphemia, where does your DH work? Certainly not like that at any uni I've worked at, or come across more's the pity

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Teachers are 'only' paid to work 1265 hours a year. 99.9% of them do very, very much more than that, as it is impossible to do the job even halfway effectively on those hours.

Do. You. Understand. Yet.