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AIBU?

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To think that if you are a man you shouldn't stop a school girl on a deserted street to ask for directions

519 replies

solosolong · 06/10/2014 08:19

Just that really. DD is in year 7 (although she is tall so looks a bit older) and leaves for school early when there aren't many people around. She called on her way in this morning to say that she was feeling a bit nervous because a man had just stopped her to ask for directions.
I'm sure there was nothing dodgy about it but AIBU to think that as a man on your own it wouldn't take much imagination to think that a young school girl will have been told not to talk to strangers and may be scared if you stop to talk to her?
I am interested to know what others think.

OP posts:
BackOnlyBriefly · 06/10/2014 23:57

decent men don't accost school girls in the street.

Sabrinnnnnnnna · 06/10/2014 23:59

It's a ludicrous response, BOB - because, as I clearly said upthread - there is a great deal of difference between an adult asking for help from a child (as in OP) and offering help/helping a child in need - which is (and should be) a normal human response.

solosolong · 06/10/2014 23:59

Thanks but I don't mind being given a hard time. I was genuinely interested to see what people thought. I suspect that opinions vary quite a lot depending on where people live, as well as their own life experiences.
They also seem to vary quite a lot depending on what time of day you post!
In the end, I think there were plenty of people who did agree with me.
Either way, I wouldn't have changed my advice to DD, I just wanted to check what the consensus was.
I would always rather she is safe. At the same time, I know that she is not overly nervous and I am not over-protective.
I found it an interesting discussion and lots of useful advice too.

OP posts:
solosolong · 07/10/2014 00:01

Obviously, that last post was directed to you Sabrinnnnnna, just missed a couple of posts in the meantime...

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tara49 · 07/10/2014 00:07

I agree with you - adult men shouldn't stop and engage children that they don't know in conversation - esp in a deserted street, my husband wouldnt do that. its inappropriate.

GarlicOctopus · 07/10/2014 00:19

Relieved to hear your comment was limited to certain circumstances, Sabrina! Thank you.

Of course it is bonkers that girls & women have to be constantly on the alert - and they/we do, because we are prey, in the eyes of many. This is what needs fixing. Not the caution of the preyed-upon, but the actions of the predators. And the attitude of their defenders.

** NAMALT caveat, plus the fact that young men are also preyed upon (while sometimes being predators, too.)

glampinggaloshes · 07/10/2014 00:21

I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if I miss something. All I know as a mature, mostly confident urban dweller is that I have been grateful on many occasions when I have felt vulnerable and exposed, if a stranger has crossed to the other side of the street thus diminishing any sense of anxiety. And I am a grown woman not a child.
IMO It's entirely reasonable for anyone, male or female to have posted this point of view.

manaboutthemaison · 07/10/2014 04:38

Haven't read all 17 pages but I noticed that it sort of started off as a man asking for directions who then turned into a stranger ( as are 99.9% of people in the world) and has finished up being a strange man.

This from the site that berated sky news over the hounding of the Mccanns twitter troll.

Maybe he was just lost ?

perthmom · 07/10/2014 06:01

I haven't read all 17 pages either, but I think it is totally inappropriate for a man to ask a child for directions. Most men know that children have been told not to talk to strangers, and this man was putting your child in an uncomfortable position. My children (ages 11 and 12) have been constantly told, at school and at home, about all the various tricks that paedophiles will come up with to try and entice them into a car. We have had 5 attempted abductions near our school this year alone.

Needing directions is not a life threatening situation and the man should've waited to find an adult and ask them.

ApocalypseThen · 07/10/2014 06:09

To those who agree with the OP, I'm a man and I promise that if I see your DDs injured or in danger I will walk right past in keeping with your idea of what's right.

Poor old you.

YonicScrewdriver · 07/10/2014 06:49

"This from the site that berated sky news over the hounding of the Mccanns twitter troll."

Well done, you've identified two situations that are nothing like each other!

RufusTheReindeer · 07/10/2014 08:02

back

Incredibly twattish comment there

Well done you

murphys · 07/10/2014 08:25

I have skimmed through replies so I haven't read all the pages, but an 11 year old walking alone early in the morning on a deserted road is the bit that worries me.....

She phoned you because she wasn't comfortable about being stopped. Is she really comfortable walking alone every day on that route?

SevenZarkSeven · 07/10/2014 08:26

so backs point of view is, that because some 11 year old girls are wary when approached by men they don't know on deserted streets, as a point of principle, he would not eg call an ambulance if he saw a female child injured in a hit and run.

What a guy.

BuffyBotRebooted · 07/10/2014 08:50

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YonicScrewdriver · 07/10/2014 09:11

Those making racism or other analogies do realise that they need to make them from the POV of a black parent discussing with their child possible treatment by white people, or a parent discussing with their gay child possible treatment by straight people before they are even remotely valid, right?

dancingwithmyselfandthecat · 07/10/2014 09:21

This thread brings back so many bad memories of being a teenager. As a woman I am lucky to have got to adulthood without being raped, assaulted, groped or harmed. But oh, I wish that more men would understand the general level of threat, invasion of privacy and subordination of your own interests which teenage girls experience on a daily basis.

I still remember being a fourteen year old girl in school uniform, approached by a london underground ticket inspector when i got off the tube who asked to see my ticket, and then followed me out of the station, saying that he wanted to "chat me up". I remember trying to ignore him as I waited at the bus stop, my heart sinking as he followed me onto the bus, and then a few stops later jumping off a moving bus to get away from him.

I still remember being a twelve year old girl on a flight with my mother. I was in the middle seat, some middle aged bloke on my left. Mum got up to go to the loo and bloke leant over to say "I bet we can trick some of the stewardesses into thinking your my wife. How about it?". (I have no idea what he meant by that, but we can all agree that it isn't a normal thing to say, and there is a sexual undertone to it and who the fuck says that to a teenage girl.)

I still remember being a sixteen year old girl on a summer music camp and two of the male instructors coming on to me. I remember one of them persuading me to dance with them, and placing his hand in the small of my back. I remember him rubbing it and telling me off for being too tense, and my wanting to sink through the ground.

You know what's interesting about all three of these stories? That I didn't tell anyone at the time, and I didn't make a fuss at the time. I didn't say to the bus full of people in the first example "I am an underage girl who has been followed onto this bus by a middle aged man and I don't like it, please help." I jumped off a moving bus instead! I didn't tell the man in the second example to shut up you freak, or tell a stewardess or my mum. I just focused very hard on my book for the rest of the flight.

Do you know why I didn't stand up for myself in these instances, or tell anyone? Well, first because I thought that I might be being ridiculous. That it could be my fault for being too neurotic. (Because women are taught to internalise things, and to think of themselves as neurotic). Second, I was worried that if I did tell someone, my parents might not allow me important freedoms such as going home from school by myself or going to music camp. And third, I just didn't know how to complain - because young women aren't taught this. And we aren't taught how our needs and our safety are more important than being polite.

I would really like the men reading this thread, and the women concerned about their feelings, to read this and think about it. Against my sort of background - which is actually, extremely mild compared to what a lot of women go through - is it any wonder that your approach however benignly intended will not be interpreted that way? And does it really cost you anything to wait until you see an adult, or a feckin shop, to ask for directions?

And can you really not see that there is a difference between approaching a young woman to ask for directions, and calling an ambulance when one has been hit?

Andrewofgg · 07/10/2014 09:29

Agree with all you say, dancing, and I've already said I would not ask a child for directions.

When does childhood end for this purpose? Obviously a man can only make a guess on the quickest of glances, but I would say that I would ask the way of a woman whom I guessed to be about seventeen or older. I would stand well out of arm's reach, ask politely, not be upset or offended if she refused to answer - although I think Sorry, don't know would have the same effect and be politer without increasing the risk - and if she gave me directions I would thank her and walk off in the direction she indicated.

All that is if I am on foot. In a car is a different ball-game - I would hesitate to ask even an obviously adult woman for directions while driving.

dancingwithmyselfandthecat · 07/10/2014 09:43

Andrew please don't think that what I wrote was directed at you - I have read your posts, and it really wasn't.

I agree with you about the car/foot distinction. On foot, during daylight, I'm not too sure. I would hazard a guess that once someone is obviously (or as far as you can tell in the circs) an adult, asking for directions in the manner you've described is fine.

Your point about arm's length is an important one. Breaching someone's physical boundaries (male or female, young or old) is on its own hugely intimidating.

KERALA1 · 07/10/2014 09:44

Great post dancing totally nailed it.

Noting my harassment by men in the street whilst a teenager / young woman would result in an essay length post sadly. To wring hands about some mans "feelings" on this is laughable.

Bouttimeforwine · 07/10/2014 09:54

Good post dancing

I can think of several incidences which fortunately didn't lead me to any harm, but were obviously "wrong". I didn't speak up for the reasons you mentioned.
One teacher in particular I told my younger sister to stay away from, as I knew it was wrong. If it had gone any further, I would have spoken up though. I think he knew this, which is why the boundaries were pushed but not totally crossed.

We do need to educate our kids to forget polite if necessary. And our sons to empathise with how a female may feel.
I'm going to have another chat with mine as a result of this thread. I'm going to go with the, polite but walk on, then forget polite if it continues.

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KERALA1 · 07/10/2014 09:59

My sister reported a teacher that came onto her. She only reported because her lovely friends made her as she couldn't hide her upset after it had happened. She would have kept it secret otherwise through shame. Happily he was fired on the spot and his career ended before it began (trainee teacher) so good outcome. She probably saved 100s of girls from harassment if he had qualified etc. so always worth telling dc to speak up.

shaska · 07/10/2014 10:31

I just think it's bonkers, the posts where people say 'oh well I guess I won't ever stop to help a girl in trouble then', or the one a while back who mentioned ignoring an 11 year old who'd been stabbed.

Very small children can see the nuance in social situations. I suspect the average 7 year old knows darn well not to 'talk to strangers' and I also suspect that were the 7 year old to be in trouble - say injured, or at home with a parent who'd been injured, they would understand that this is a situation where 'get help' over-rides 'stranger'. I also suspect that the average 7 year old would have a certain amount of instinct over who they went to for this help, in that they'd make a judgement call about who looked 'friendly'. Sure, they might get that wrong, because they're seven, but the foundation would be there. The suggestion that grown adult men are incapable of seeing even basic subtleties, just because it relates to something they don't have experience of, boggles my mind and is offensive to men.

Oh and Andrew - this isn't directed at you! I don't know what to advise, really, except to say that I don't think it's as much about age as situation. I guess my rule of thumb would be that if you're thinking of approaching a girl or woman, and there is no obvious place for her to turn to for help should she need it - no other people, no passing traffic, no open businesses, then it might be polite to consider whether your need to approach is greater than her need to feel unthreatened. And the answer to that will, of course, vary!

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