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WWYD - toddler's friend's parent?

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Oneandonlyone · 25/09/2014 22:43

My three and a half year old has a best friend. They're in nursery together, they're in dance class together, they're in swim class together. So we see the parents all the time. The little girl is having some mild behaviour issues, and frankly it is all down to parenting. Dad's parenting is all right, pretty good actually, but Mum's getting more unbearable by the moment.

Fine, not everyone has the same parenting style. Maybe she and I are just different. Her personality doesn't really mesh with mine anyway. She's one of these people who has a reason why she won't do anything, is very vocal about it, and wouldn't dare change her mind, however weak the logic behind her argument is. Hey, it happens. She is also into "swatting" her child on the bum as punishment. The kind of parent who when told at nursery that her child has had a very good day, proceeds to announce to the class that "well, she's always bad at home!" Again, not my style but nothing to get bent out of shape about.

Until this past weekend, that is. We were getting changed after swim class with a couple other parents and similarly aged kids. And the slightly tired daughter started disagreeing with her mum and mum went completely off on one. The kid was hysterical, and mum was completely baiting her, almost trying to make her more hysterical. She didn't want to do something, so mum took her crackers away as a kind of random "well, since you won't do what I aksed immediately, then I'm taking your crackers." As the kid got more hysterical, mum proceeded to give all the other kid some of her crackers, telling each kid "you can have some but X can't because she is so terrible." The kids didn't know what to do except take the crackers - they're three, after all. And then Mum kept on ramping it up. When the kid didn't want to go to the toilet, Mum just hauled the screaming hysterical child in there, shut the door and even more hysterical screaming ensued. It just got worse and worse. No attempt at all to calm the child or reassure her or anything except aggravate her. The other mothers and myself just kept looking at each other, silently trying to figure out what to do. To my shame and regret, we did nothing. The mother in question would have turned on us just as badly, and sadly we let it stop us.

So what do we do now? I can't stand this woman anyway, but this has really driven me over the edge. I don't want my kid around her, but it also isn't the daughter's fault that her mum's a loon. I don't want to leave the kid even more isolated or my daughter to lose her best friend. What should we have done on Saturday? Everyone just signed up for the new term so we have classes until Christmas as well. I couldn't deal with this again, much less all those weeks.

For what it is worth, I think dad knows she's not a great parent but has no influence on her in this area at all and has given up. (She above about her reasons (which she will happily state) about why she never changes her behaviour, etc.

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Primafacie · 25/09/2014 22:49

Butt out. Her DD is having tantrums which she is dealing with. None of your business. You sound very judgey. Are you looking for a scapegoat to validate your parenting choices?

LadyLuck10 · 25/09/2014 22:50

You actually sound worse than the mother really. Your description of her was really bitchy and judgey.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/09/2014 22:51

No you don't. Her deliberately giving the crackers to other kids to get at her DD was cruel and petty. She sounds toxic

ButchCassidy · 25/09/2014 22:52

YABU Hmm and judgemental

startwig1982 · 25/09/2014 22:53

Calling her a loon seems a bit harsh. She sounds like someone who's struggling: with behaviour, although minor, and with tiredness.
Maybe you could offer to take her dd out with yours for a couple of hours to give her a break.
Maybe be a bit more compassionate that she might be finding things difficult.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/09/2014 22:53

Are we reading the same words here?

Do many people treat their 3 year olds like this? Jeeze

Janethegirl · 25/09/2014 22:55

OP you have my sympathy but unfortunately I've no good advice. But you do not sound worse than the other mum, however you may have phrased it such that you'll get little sympathy.

I'd try to keep contact with your daughters friends mum, but definitely keep it low key and please don't judge her. Yes, she may be a paranoid cow but more likely she's just struggling.

ithoughtofitfirst · 25/09/2014 22:56

There's nothing you really can do OP.

greenbananas · 25/09/2014 22:58

Well I'll admit to having dealt with tantrums badly in the past, but would never have done the crackers thing!

It's clear that you don't like this mum, but in the interests of her daughter and your own, could you talk to her? tantrums are hard to deal with, and it sounds like she could use a listening ear, if you are able to act non judgmental (no matter what you are feeling! )

Oneandonlyone · 25/09/2014 23:00

I'm willing to admit that I'm pretty bitchy about her at this point. We've been dealing with her for over a year. Though Saturdaybwas the first point where it escalated so much I started to wonder if it was abusive.

We've offered the break for a couple hours multiple times. She won't take it. From anyone. They have (by their admission) been out once as a couple without her since she was born. If we have the little girl over for a play date, both parents come the whole time. This didn't seem unusual when they were about to turn two and didn't know us well, now it just makes it hard for us to keep inviting the little girl to play.

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RabbitSaysWoof · 25/09/2014 23:00

I think you should find something else to worry about.

greenbananas · 25/09/2014 23:03

If you spend enough time listening, maybe you could even encourage her to think about different ways to deal with stuff. I bet she's not proud of shouting, especiallyinfront of other parents. If you can reassure her that we all get frustrated sometimes, she might be able to talk through how she really wanted to react. .

or maybe not. .. But it might be worth a try?

If you think the little girl is being really emotionally abused, please talk to her teachers in confidence.

Purplepoodle · 25/09/2014 23:05

My three year old is usually lovely although he has turned pretty vile the last few weeks. Life can be a battle of wills and this was a snap shot. You don't know how her girl behaves for her. I would have tried to help her out as we have all been there - no stood and stared being very judgemental probably causing the mum to be ott in trying to discipline her child

Oneandonlyone · 25/09/2014 23:05

And seriously, talking to her about anything just gets you shouted down. She doesn't want to diet because someone she knew once told her that she lost her appetite for crisps when she slimmed down and she would never want to give up crisps. There is no reason to go out to the movies because you can get everything on Netflicks if you wait long enough. Suggesting anything different is shut down pretty quick. So she doesn't have a lot of friends because most people won't put up with it.

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 25/09/2014 23:06

Well at the very least try to be kind to the little girl I guess. Pretty soon she will be of an age when she can come round for playdates without her toxic mum and that could give you and your DD the chance to be a positive influence or whatever in her life.

My mum was a bit... volatile when I was young and I had a friend whose mum I adored. She didn't do anything particularly spectacular but she listened to me, asked questions and acted really interested in my answers, remembered things I had told her and asked about them again, even small things like letting me choose what kind of biscuits we would have. She hugged me too. I love that woman.

I would just like to add though that DM and I have moved past all our earlier issues and have a great relationship now, happily.

SeptemberBabies · 25/09/2014 23:07

In parenting my three children I have learnt that most parents think their way of parenting is right and any other way of parenting is wrong.

I have learnt to accept that different parenting does not equal bad. Just different.

Maybe thinking in this way would help you OP?

Primafacie · 25/09/2014 23:09

Seriously OP, you should step away from this thread as it is casting an awful light on you. You sound horrid. I hope it helps.

By the way, maybe stop suggesting to this woman that she changes her life to accommodate your own rulebook on what is right and wrong?

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 25/09/2014 23:10

Oh sorry OP I missed your updates. I think I agree with others that it would be really difficult to deal with the mum about this any more than you already have.

Oneandonlyone · 25/09/2014 23:11

Actually, I've seen a lot how the little girl behaves with her (plus, she complains about the little girl and how awful she is constantly. Also, she hates the fact that the daughter is a daddy's girl, but dad is at least consistent and calm with her.) and the girl has a lot of problems with her because with mum she's on constantly shifting sands, plus is constantly being shouted at and goaded.

When we do have play dates, there's a lot of "Oneandonly is being good? Why can't you be good? You're just a very naughty girl, aren't you. You couldn't be good if you tried."

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greenbananas · 25/09/2014 23:12

Oh dear, she does sound difficult!

I know a couple of people like this, and they are willing to listen eventually, once they have talked themselves out, and you have done a lot of nodding and smiling.

You don't have to tell her what to do - hopefully she can figure it out for herself if you listen long enough. .. But you probably need professional counselling skills for that!

And maybe some input from a parenting course or such the like. is there anything like in your area? The webster stratton ones have a creche, I think, so you could sell it to her as a social event, as your dds could play together while you sit and learn about stuff you "probably both already know"

I realise I am making impractical suggestions Sad

greenbananas · 25/09/2014 23:15

dear oh dear, just read your updates. actually think you should talk to teachers and ring social services because what you're describing is emotional abuse. Please talk to teachers tomorrow.

Oneandonlyone · 25/09/2014 23:19

Can the teachers help (and do you mean nursery or swimming teachers?)? This didn't happen in front of them, and at nursery all the "well she's horrible at home!" stuff happens in front of the teachers, day after day.

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Goldenbear · 25/09/2014 23:19

I can't believe people think it's acceptable to treat a child barely out of babyhood in this way- it is such an antiquated view and years to come I think this kind of emotional abuse will be seen in exactly the sane light as domestic abuse towards women. It is no longer acceptable to emotionally abuse women but perfectly acceptable to terrorise and bully a 3 year old. If you think like that you're a disgrace to humankind IMO. I have a 3 year old and a 7 year old and can't begin to imagine justifying treating my children like this!

I have seen similar and have told the Mum she is scaring her children. Why the fuck have children if you can't handle a tantrum.

Op have you ever seen her manhandle her to the point of leaving a mark. If so I'd call NSPCC immediately at that point as they would send the Police around. I would call for advice anyway.

Mydelilah · 25/09/2014 23:21

As you describe her she seems like a fairly strongminded woman (if misguided about certain things wtf about crisps?) but who was dealing with a toddler tantrum with several judgy pairs of eyes boring into her, she panicked and dealt with it badly Hmm

3 yos can be exremely challenging and you seem deeply unsympathetic...possibly due to your own dislike of the mother, possibly your child has never had a meltdown in public....?

re playdates, agree if your DDs are friends its a shame to lose that, when your DD is next invited there could you drop her off and leave, to show them how youd like it to go now they are older?

Oneandonlyone · 25/09/2014 23:22

No marks that I've ever seen.

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