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To ask all Scottish MNrs to work together 2

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siiiiiiiiigh · 21/09/2014 14:09

Sorry, filled the last thread with this, thought I'd better be part of Team Scottish MN and work together for those of us on the old thread...

Here's Armando's thoughts. I vote him in for everything.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/scottish-referendum-massive-voter-turnout-means-politics-changed-for-ever

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tabulahrasa · 23/09/2014 20:10

Oh the girl who wanted to be an astronomer or something and now wants to be Nicola Sturgeon?

Yeah that was awful.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/09/2014 20:16

I was infuriated throughout the campaign by the way any suggestion that there might be a downside to independence, or that the Yes campaign's policies might not be 100% achievable, was dismissed as negative, project fear, bullying, scaremongering. It did happen to some extent in the other direction, but, in my opinion, to nowhere near the extent that the Yes campaign did it.

It is a part of any political campaign to point out potential problems or downsides of the other side's manifesto/campaign promises - and the fact that the Better Together campaign was working for a No vote, and against the Yes campaign, meant it was always going to have a negative undertone to it.

Had the referendum question been, 'Do you want Scotland to stay in the Union?' - Yes/No, then the pro-independence campaign might have been similarly coloured with a certain negativism.

Every time they tried to shout down the Better Together's concerns about their policies, and the possible problems of an independent Scotland, I was left thinking that some in the Yes campaign didn't want the Scottish electorate to have all the facts and opinions in front of them, but instead wanted them to hear only the Yes campaign's manifesto.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/09/2014 20:17

Oops - I posted too soon. I haven't had a chance to see/read all of Alex Salmond's speech in Holyrood today, so can someone who has tell me whether he accepted the result and reiterated his statement that this referendum should decide the independence question for a generation?

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/09/2014 20:20

I've just e-mailed her to ask what a typical granny is.

flippinada · 23/09/2014 20:22

I cannot help but feel they are going the wrong way about winning over older voters.

SDTG do you know, I can't remember if he did or not.

Behoove · 23/09/2014 20:24

Phaedra, a typical granny wears a cardigan, has a shampoo and set and doesn't know anything about social media

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tabulahrasa · 23/09/2014 20:24

Neither can I...lol

He didn't say anything about not accepting though, I'm pretty sure.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/09/2014 20:25

I'm watching just now, nothing so far about settled for a generation...

flippinada · 23/09/2014 20:27

SDTG Just checked and he does accept the result (again from the BBC News Live Feed): "He (Alex Salmond) says he believes strongly in the Edinburgh agreement and will stick to Section 30 which means he will accept the result and bring forward constructive proposals for the future."

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/09/2014 20:35

Thank-you, flippinada - I think that should have been on the news coverage - or maybe it was, and I missed it. Blush

Behoove · 23/09/2014 20:38

this is interesting as it means the actual SNP majority in parliament is now 1.
The membership of NATO question was always a troubling one. Ethics over pragmatism. I think he is the 3rd to step away?

flippinada · 23/09/2014 20:39

I actually watched the speech and I missed it!

livingzuid · 23/09/2014 20:40

phaedra Grin

Behoove · 23/09/2014 20:47

On a lighter note, Angela Constance has some amazing shoes, not sure I would wear these to my office though.

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flippinada · 23/09/2014 20:51

I saw that Behoove very interesting.

Those shoes are quite something aren't they.

flippinada · 23/09/2014 20:54

Phaedra - please come back and tell us what response you get to that email!

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/09/2014 20:57

The shoes are probably from Irregular Choice.

irregularchoice.com/shop/

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/09/2014 20:59

They definitely have the look of Irregular Choice - I have a fair few!

PhaedraIsMyName · 23/09/2014 21:01

I will.

I emailed my own MSP Marco Biagi on Sunday about Salmond not appearing willing to accept the result. He replied almost immediately with the link to his article. He presumably thinks independence needs to be parked for at least the next election.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/09/2014 21:08

Friend just shared the Christine Graham speech with a comments about how accurate and true it is. Seriously. Any politician quoting the statistics from the Ashcroft poll, especially those from the younger groups, needs to go back to bloody school

(Yes, I know, I know. But it's really pissing me off!)

Behoove · 23/09/2014 21:10

Friend just shared the Christine Graham speech with a comments about how accurate and true it is

Keep repeating something often enough and it will become fact

flippinada · 23/09/2014 21:33

Oh well, if it's on social media it must be true.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/09/2014 21:53

Grin flippinada!

Luckytwo · 23/09/2014 22:45

I have to say and I no longer know if I'm on the right thread, but hey ho !
I'm liking Ed's proposals of a mansion tax to pay more money into the NHS , up till then I was fairly bored but we need more money and it's good to see he's at least thinking about it ?

Behoove · 23/09/2014 22:56

I've just been watching the Salmond interview on BBC 2. He looks ghastly, almost desperate.
I'm surprised he still thinks there will be independence "in his lifetime". I'm honestly coming to the view that the chance was missed. Major changes afoot, yes, but independence? not going to happen.
When asked about Cameron's (stupid and boastful IMO) comments re his conversation with the Queen, I thought his face took on a real hatred.

I wonder if he will write his memoirs, would be interesting.

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