To ask all Scottish MNrs to work together 2

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Sorry, filled the last thread with this, thought I'd better be part of Team Scottish MN and work together for those of us on the old thread...

Here's Armando's thoughts. I vote him in for everything.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/scottish-referendum-massive-voter-turnout-means-politics-changed-for-ever

And I've heard from quite a few Yes voters who are relieved at the result.

Of course you did. Swathes of them. All fervently wishing that they'd voted the correct way.

No regrets from any if the No voters I know. In fact a lot of them feel stronger than ever that they voted the right way given the deluded nonsense being posted by a lot of Yes voters re vote rigging etc.

Are you implying that only Yes voters, or wannabe yes voters, have political awareness?

No, I'm sure that no voters have political awareness. But only within a certain context.

The Yes voters/wannabe Yes voters have the correct political awareness *SC^

Oh, we're back to No voters just not "understanding"

So what context do we not understand?

See?

Deeedeee you sound so incredibly bitter. What wasted energy.
Your anecdotal tales of no voters regretting their vote are not scaring me although you seem to be doing your very best to intimidate people in a pretty unpleasant way. Luckily you are not representative of the hundreds of yes voters I know.

I actually sense people are losing their appetite for contesting this and I am pretty sure that the current level of engagement will fade pretty quickly as life goes on. Joining a party in the immediate aftermath of being disappointed in the referendum vote does not a revolution make.

Any minute now and we'll be back onto moral superiority. Think I might go to bed. Tough day ahead looking for ways to oppress people and all that.

Also, the fact that these threads (and twitter/fb) have been so quiet is representative of people's loss of interest. I know I have lost interest now the panic has subsided. And my yes voting friends say they are pretty philosophical now having been distraught immediately afterwards.

Kubler Ross's grief cycle is a an excellent model for the emotions felt by deee and others at the moment. They're somewhere around denial and anger, and will move on through bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Merely a different context. The rest is just your inferiority complexes

And the proof will be in the pudding.

And to be honest I am angry , but there's no way I'll show that in my day to day life as there 's too much to do, too many divisions to fill and no point in harping on. I'll argue for unity and getting together endlessly everyday. But tonight when we're at war and about the be fracked I needed to rant at some smug people like you lot. Don't worry I won't waste much time on you.

Night

Well in the entire week that has passed, I've been busy working on the launch of a new childcare service which will fill a huge gap in the area which has been preventing people who want to from working so I'd say that counts. It'll also employ several people including some young apprentices, giving them a chance of a career. Oh and I've volunteered to help out with an organisation that provides training to adult learners

statisticallychallenged is that all you have done this week? Really, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Deedee why don't you put SC to shame and tell us what you have done this week.

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Well, someone needs to offset your rampant superiority complex, which makes you think you have a right to belittle other people's efforts because they're not what you have done.

There's only one unreasonably smug poster right now. Go find a mirror.

Inferiority complexes? Give Me Fucking Strength.

Good night.

Don't worry I won't waste much time on you

Well, that's one bit of good news :)

Oh dear.

I see the One Scotland move to unity has been gathering pace since I last logged on...

The problem is Deedee, you say that you aren't an 'independence at any cost' type, and I'm sure you believe that. But that isn't reflected in what you say. You are so focussed on 'independence' as a way of meeting your goals that it doesn't seem to have occurred to you that people on the 'no' side also have the same goals and different ideas about how to reach them. What 'no' voters are telling you is that they want to get on and tackle these issues throughout Scotland and the rest of the UK now. You don't need to wait for independence.

I'll be extremely disappointed if the Greens decide that their policy priority is independence. There are plenty of no voting greens who want green policies throughout the whole of the UK and they could work for that as well as at Holyrood. I've no idea what living in a oil reliant economy with scrapped air passenger duty would do to make Scotland greener.

As for fracking. The Scottish government can already prevent fracking the way it blocks new nuclear power, by refusing planning applications for it in Scotland. Only... I believe they are in favour of fracking... like oil they can't wait to squander our physical resources. They just want all the revenue to go to them.

Gosh, you lot are being particularly unpleasant to poor Deeedee tonight.

I didn't write the bit below but would like to share it with you.

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Right a week has passed since the Referendum, here's what has happened.

• Better Together apologised for their negative Campaign. They admit that only sheer negativity and complete fear mongering would keep Scotland in the union.

- Asda apologised for their scaremongering in the lead up to the referendum too. - Ruth Davidson appears to know about some dodgy behaviour re Tory observation of the opening of postal votes. Police are now investigating. - UK Government confirmed that oil has been found off the West Coast of Shetland (something that we knew all along though Cameron denied it) - The UK Government also confirmed that new oil and gas deposits have been found in the North Sea (who would have guessed it, eh!) - The NHS that was apparently very safe before the Referendum according to Scottish Labour ...is now suddenly in danger from severe cuts and privatisation by the Tories. - Labour try to distance themselves from their pledge they made on the eve of the referendum, and are now reneging on it. - The Tories, who are trying to avoid reneging on their pledge, but can't help themselves, are trying to tie their pledge to the 'more powers for England' anthem (eh, sorry ...but that was NOT part of the pledge!) - Lloyds is still moving assets down south (yep ... a 'No' vote saved that) - A new war in the Middle East (just what we all wanted) with even Blair appearing from out of nowhere demanding that ground troops go in. - Scotland's block grant to be reviewed - And the timetable of new powers as Scotland's reward for voting 'No' ...yep, now uncertain! It is slowly being kicked into the long grass at this very moment. .Fracking is to begin in Mid-Lothian too...which will mean the whole of the Lothians.

All of this ...just one week after the Referendum.

Everything that you were warned about if it was a 'No' vote, has more or less come to pass, and worst of all ...that is just the tip of the iceberg of crap that is still to come...

Just wait till the 2nd bout of austerity kicks in after May 2015...

UPDATE
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You couldn't make it up! Less than 12 hours later ...we get this from the BBC. Yep ...severe austerity is on its way!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29373230
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scone your points have been discussed and debunked already. What you list has not suddenly appeared as a result of the referendum. Do you seriously believe Holyrood sits in that much ignorance? It could have done a whole lot more than it currently has done to date.

Whilst on the subject of election fraud I for one am rather angry that all the No votes that were opened and destroyed before reaching the counting centres is not being investigated further.

And where did it say we were sending in troops? Air strikes in a consortium of 40 countries is a far cry from Afghanistan round 2. I would love to hear how a newly independent Scotland would have responded on the international stage to one of its citizens being beheaded. Sent an indignant letter perhaps? Outraged of Edinburgh?

Deeeedeeee has successfully convinced this formerly faithful Green voter to reconsider her options if that's the quality of argument the Scottish Greens have to offer.

Oh FFS livingzuid, if that's how you make you political choices then oooooh the Tories are made of fudge and will melt if elected, labour went on the bake off and turned someone's oven off, and ukip are racist idiots who couldn't run a pair of tights .

Might I humbly suggest you look at all the parties policies in the lead up to the election rather than making a snap decision based on someone having a rant on the Internet?

Ooooh and I would have hoped Scotland would have condemned the beheading, but not used it as justification to become part of a bombing campaign that will use money we apparently didn't have last week, kill innocents and destabilise the region further just to create a smokescreen. It's a political tool FFS, to control and justify policy, to distract attention from pieces of policy such as fracking and TTIP. I suggest you read 1984 again if you haven't read it before.

And still not a proper response to a challenge on facts. Just abuse. So typical of the Yes campaign. How fortunate we are that the majority of the electorate saw it for the bullshit it was.

You seem to post as if you are some sort of Green representative. If you don't want us humble Green party members to get the wrong impression then perhaps consider moderating your tone. You do the cause no favours in the way you continue go on in a factually incorrect, ignorant and insulting manner in the name of spouting off online.

Thank you so much for the patronising tip to read some more George Orwell to inform my political decisions. I'll stick to the unbiased facts compared to the rantings of another Eton educated left wing fanatic who also seemed to have no problem charging off to war based on nothing more than an ideal.

Sconequeen, 'poor' deeedeee was being thoroughly unpleasant herself.

It was always known that there was another while of austerity planned to address the deficit. The problem is that you are comparing the reality of life in the UK at the moment with the dream (rather than the reality) of independence.

Extremely frequently on these threads myself, Statistically and others have pointed out the financial consequences of independence and the likely knock on effect of the much greater austerity on public services and poor and vulnerable people.

This has to the best of my recollection never been responded to by pro-yes supporters on this forum, or in anything the Yes campaign has put out.

Ignoring this issue does not lend credibility to the idea of independence. Positivity doesn't solve the issue of not being able to run a deficit, or having to build reserves.