To ask all Scottish MNrs to work together 2

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Sorry, filled the last thread with this, thought I'd better be part of Team Scottish MN and work together for those of us on the old thread...

Here's Armando's thoughts. I vote him in for everything.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/scottish-referendum-massive-voter-turnout-means-politics-changed-for-ever

Yes I agree the Scottish Parliament is calmer but IMO it is far less effective at challenging the administration which is its central purpose. Whenever I've watched it, I've ended up screaming at the TV at AS's ability to avoid answering direct questions. He shouldn't be allowed to get away with that.
I know PMQs at Westminster has gotten out of control but IMO this could be vastly improved by getting rid of Bercow. However I think the adversarial nature of Question Time is healthy for democracy.

Missed it, was out at the shops buying food for my rather neglected bairns.

The good thing about new parties is that they can shed old policy baggage. Maybe all political parties should be disbanded after a strict limit of 20 years.

Any ideas for slogans, as couthy as possible?

I will check in later, taking DS3 to an after school activity.

What did Rennie have to say?

Ach it's not massively exciting, it's a lot of the stuff that's already been gone over on threads on here, insults included, lol.

We could go the whole hog and have Canty and couthy and kindly the best, but I'm not sure about appropriating songs? And it might be a bit twee?

Rennie was talking about federalism...not really a huge surprise with him being lib dem and some criticism of Salmond's speeches over the weekend.

the Canty and Couthy Party.

We won't suffer fools gladly, but we will give them teacakes

I wonder if the lib Dems smell an opportunity to gain back some ground/votes at the expense of this (broadly perceived as SNP) failure

I agree with a previous post, the Yes camp very much enjoyed being part of something( dont we all ) and now feel somewhat lost. We all need to work together , this is a fantastic country and can always be improved, it will never be perfect but go and try living in countries where power and water supplies are intermittent, theres no NHS and dictators rule. We are very spoilt here and take too much for granted. There will always be people who have more and people who fall through the net. Even Norway has foodbanks.

Well said Annabelindajane.

Agreed, the way some people have been talking in the last few months has made Scotland sound like an absolute hell hole, and it's really not.

I thought the same thing many times over the campaign and even had a positive thought about food banks which are, after all a grassroots volunteer led response to a real need, OK it would be better if the government was more responsive but it is good that caring people got off their backside and organised to help people in their community, they didn't shrug and say it's not my problem.

Have really enjoyed catching up on this thread today. Much calmer.

tabulah I'm not a yes voter but I think your comments upthread are probably very close to the truth. Lets see what happens over the next few dats,

Anyway, I watched part of the debate (and party leader speeches) today.
Salmond was as expected I thought...was pleasantly surprised by Johan Lamont and thought Ruth Davidson came across well (did anyone catch that "wheesht" from the presiding officer )?

I wasn't able to catch the others but checked back later to see the reports and at least one MSP was trotting out the 'poor deluded oldies' line. Apparently they don't use social media so the poor old dears have been scared by all the nasty stories in the press; another MSP is busy telling us that no voters were lied to and voted that way because of fear.

Because of course everything on social media is 100% true and comes from impeccable sources .

Did anyone else here catch it and if so what

Oops, pressed send too soon. What did you think?

I agree - people say to me I wouldn't want to live in Glasgow, it's you know, violent and deprived, as if london doesn't have anything wrong with it. Of course they always say, oh you know, I love Scotland but... to start these kind of opinions, much in tge way you'd say I'm bit bring rude, but ...
Actually yes you are.
But this whole business has made us look foolish, and there will be ramifications going into the general election. I wouldn't hold my breath.
(Sorry I can only chip in now and again because of work )

I didn't, but any MSP trotting out the "but they couldn't use social media" line needs to have a word with themselves. Same with the "fear" line. Accept our votes, they're not worth less because we voted no. If we are going to start that...

Agree Lucky. I lived in Glasgow for 5 years, it's a brilliant place. Of course there are bits that aren't so great but doesn't every city have those?

Statistically I just checked on the beeb live commentary to check I hadn't mispresented what was said. Here's the quote from the live feed:

15:51: Not a 'typical granny' SNP MSP Christine Grahame pays tribute to the first minister for tolerating her "idiosyncratic moments" in this chamber. Ms Grahame says she is not a "typical granny" and she would not want people to attack pensioners. However, she says that while younger people got information from social media, older people were getting the bulk of their information from the mainstream and broadcast media. She says they were subjected to scare stories on pensions and the economy.

They need to shut up now. We've all had enough. Lesley Riddoch was banging on about Project Fear again, oh and the Yes movement

It's all just so last week
Yawn

If she actually said that it has so many things wrong with it, not sure where to start.

ARGH! Seriously. There was an insane amount of utter bullshit on social media. Yes, there was undeniably some good content but for many it did more harm than good - the number of things I have seen/heard repeated as gospel which have started from Facebook and Twitter and are totally incorrect was astonishing. And it was very hard to argue against, because any time you pointed out the problems you were "brainwashed", "believing mainstream media", "an idiot" etc etc.

here are the speeches if anyone wants to listen/watch

That quote is lifted directly from the BBC News live feed.

Here's another, which I'm sure will bring a tear to everyone's eye. I know mine watered when I read it:

Mark McDonald, SNP MSP for Aberdeen Donside, told the Holyrood debate on the independence referendum there was an eight-year-old girl in his constituency who gave Alex Salmond a note saying 'Thank you for fighting for my future'.

I watched up to about the last hour, I think?

Honestly...I wasn't massively happy with anybody, as in, it was supposed to be a debate on Scotland's future wasn't it? And a lot of it was rehashing the independence campaign and I think way too much time was taken up talking about Salmond's speeches from after the vote as, I mean yes they needed to be addressed - they weren't ok as first minister, but for some people speaking it was most of what they said. I'm glad one of the MSPs did address the Ashcroft poll though. (I know longer remember which one it was)

I expected better...I don't know why I did because they are politicians but I hoped for just today it would be more about future plans, they could hash out their grievances on a later day, lol.

I just can't take to Johan Lamont, I never have.

Ruth Davidson, yes I was impressed with the first half of what she said, she was composed, dignified...almost stateswomanlike and I was thinking to myself, where did that come from? That's not who has been speaking everywhere recently, then she carried on and I thought aha, there she is.

I feel like I should like them because I am very proud of the fact that 2 of the main party leaders in Scotland are women...and I do think that's good, but, I don't like them. (Not just recently)

Patrick Harvie, I liked his content in that he was the only one IMO who was mostly focused on the future.

I'm picky eh? Lol

Oh and I laughed at the wheesht

Completely and utterly patronising to assume older people don't have access to the Internet or social media. Also utter rubbish to assume that what is on social media is the truth. Or are the SNP saying they have produced a generation of complete idiots? Because it isn't currently saying much good stuff about their education policies right now!

Can you just pretend that's all typed ok and I've not used the wrong homophone, cheers, lol

Here's another, which I'm sure will bring a tear to everyone's eye. I know mine watered when I read it:

My eyes tend to water if I'm trying not to vomit!