To ask all Scottish MNrs to work together 2

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Sorry, filled the last thread with this, thought I'd better be part of Team Scottish MN and work together for those of us on the old thread...

Here's Armando's thoughts. I vote him in for everything.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/scottish-referendum-massive-voter-turnout-means-politics-changed-for-ever

And what did Barrhead Travel do?

I'm craving Mackies v. v. badly. Off to Asda!

HappyScot Chesly, you really are quite annoying. Sorry. But you are.

But so are you. You're so annoying that I transcribed some of your recent outpourings to some Dutch friends on FB, and they all said you were the most annoying person they had ever come across. They said you were even more annoying than the most annoying Dutch person, and that's saying something.

I'm only joking of course. No need to be nasty. I do think you are possibly quite easy to offend though. And I do honestly find you a bit irritating.

How about simply recognising the will and voice of the majority of Scots Fine?

The government has recognised it. There will be no independence at this time. As an ordinary citizen I will continue fighting for what I believe. If enough feel the same as me a majority Yes referendum supporting government will be returned to Holyrood. That would be the will and the voice of the people.

A small minority of people cannot force a referendum from nowhere, if no- one votes in Yes parties there will be no referendum, that is democracy. But you cannot possibly expect No vote to prevent a million people from trying again

And what did Barrhead Travel do?

Sent a letter to all of their employees telling them to vote No.

I voted Yes and would do so again, but I have absolutely no appetite for another referendum. I feel totally emotionally drained for one thing, but for another I think it should be at least another twenty years before we have one again. The result didn't go the way I wanted, but it was a clear majority. I was proud to be a part of a proper democratic process and I still am.

I also don't agree with all the accusations of vote rigging and stuff. I think, and have thought since the first few counts came in, that we just need to suck it up and get on with it now. It's over. I can't see a good way forward for Scotland, despite all this slick "keeper of the promise" stuff, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Fighting?

You aren't fighting for anything- what an insulting use of the word, firstly, in the centenary of WW1, and secondly, in today's global context.

I think one of the problems is that 'Yes' convinced it's supporters that Holyrood was toothless and powerless to change the things people care about. Hence the despondency now.

But Holyrood has loads of powers, the SNP have chosen not to use them, has chosen to blame Westminster for all ills because it suited their primary political purpose to do so.

The SNP decided to focus on headline policies which appealed to those on middle incomes and sounded (but weren't) progressive to those on the lowest incomes. And of course all the money and time it has spent on nation building - flying AS around the world and kitting him out in £250 tartan trousers, wasted parliamentary time on self congratulation rather on things which could make a real difference.

I wasn't aware of the problems in the agricultural industry (with all the knock on effects to the local economy and food supply chain). But stuff like that. Things the Scottish government was designed to deal with are getting swept to the side while people obsess about the constitution.

The referendum may have been buried in their 2010 manifesto, but it was not central to their campaign, presumably because they weren't expecting a majority and didn't want to put off people who would vote no. Of course all we heard after their victory was referendum related.

Seriously though, regarding the boycott list - can you imagine where that sort of thinking would go if Scotland were independent?

"You don't agree with the Government in power, so you won't get any government contracts, even though you won the tender process. We're giving the contract to that really inept overpriced company down the road, because they promised to pay x pounds into party funds and the boss is a party member".

I've successfully avoided bp for many years, for other reasons. Plenty options!

You aren't fighting for anything- what an insulting use of the word, firstly, in the centenary of WW1, and secondly, in today's global contex

Oh FFS

"struggle to overcome, eliminate, or prevent.
"a churchman who has dedicated his life to fighting racism"
synonyms: oppose, contest, contend with, confront, challenge, combat, dispute, object to, quarrel with, argue against/with; More
antonyms: accept, support
strive to achieve or do something.
"I will fight for a fairer society"
synonyms: campaign, strive, battle, struggle, contend, grapple, war, crusade, agitate; More
endeavour vigorously to win (an election or other contest).
attempt to repress (a feeling or its expression).
"she had to fight back tears of frustration"
synonyms: repress, restrain, suppress, stifle, smother, hold back, keep back, fight back, keep in check, check, curb, contain, control, keep under control, rein in, silence, muffle, bottle up, choke back, swallow, strangle, gag; More
antonyms: give in to, let out
move forward with difficulty, especially by pushing through a crowd.
"she watched him fight his way across the room"

You know exactly what I meant Chelsy! Ok. Your last sentence in your 18.15 post "aye but you're happy to take our taxes"....I genuinely have no idea what you meant.

I see it's ok to shop at Tesco. Like many MNetters I boycotted Tesco years ago as I couldn't stomach putting a penny in the purse of Dame Shirley Porter.

Tinkerball and you knew exactly what I meant. Yes voters on here are happy to make derogatory comments about No voters, but happy enough to take our taxes.

In fact, why is 55% of tax income not included in the boycott list?

Chelsy, can you just drop this PLEASE. You have already dragged it from the "inspired by, but not about indy-ref" thread, to this one. Why? I have no idea, but you did. I say you're annoying, you say I'm easily offended and irritating. Whatever. This is not the playground at primary school. I don't want to talk with you. But I don't want to be rude to you. Can you just pretend like I am not here and you can't see me, and I promise I will do likewise. Then maybe this thread, and the indy-ref thread can get back to being what they were supposed to be about before you came in to dazzle us with your superior knowledge as Euro culture and language expert. Welterusten en de mazzel met je volgende uitdaging.

HappyScot is there any chance you could stop posting about it then? Pleeese! Just stop!

No I had no clue what you meant, I still don't! Check all my posts here and on the other threads and show me exactly where I have made a derogatory comment about No voters. You won't be able to find any because I haven't....so don't class me like that. And I still don't get what you meant about being happy enough to take our (at least I know that you mean no voters now) taxes so I would like an explanation with sarcasm please. I pay tax to since I work full time in the NHS but I'm not sure what "taking taxes" is all about.

Without sarcasm obviously!

"Sent a letter to all of their employees telling them to vote No."

Can you elaborate on that please? I mean, was it telling/telling them. As in "if you value your job post-referendum you will vote NO" or was it more along the lines of "we hope our employees will agree that a no vote is best for the company and country".

What I really mean is, was it threatening versus just....we think it's because xyz.

Chelsy, does it please you to keep this going by making another post with the sole content of asking me to shut up? If it's just the last word you're after, you could have said that on the other thread, before you dragged it over here. Please stop acting like this is a playground, and we're 5.

wingsoverscotland.com/they-who-will-not-hear/

I know it's Wings but it has a copy of the letter.

I really hope then that snp are very very explicit about their desire for another referendum when they campaign for the Holyrood elections. Because at the moment their party line has been that this referendum was a once in a generation (possibly once in a lifetime opportunity).

I for one would be very fucked off if people voted them in on this basis only to find that they became totally single issue again and we spent millions more and dragged everyone through this process again within the next 18-20 years (salmonds promise).

I think it is bloody appalling that people are disrespecting the clear majority after only 4 days (and trying to blame the elderly or thick people for not understanding what they were voting for). I for one am very very depressed at the idea of being dragged through this process again. It's been a nightmare and utterly divisive. I also do not have a single yes voting friend who wants another referendum within this time scale.

And you, as a NO voters, are happy to 'take my taxes'. See my point?

No, of course you don't because there is no point to a statement like that.

Curiouser and curiouser....

HappyScot Chelsy, does it please you to keep this going by making another post with the sole content of asking me to shut up? If it's just the last word you're after, you could have said that on the other thread, before you dragged it over here. Please stop acting like this is a playground, and we're 5.

Oh come off it. This is getting ridiculous now.

LoveyRita And you, as a NO voters, are happy to 'take my taxes'. See my point?No, of course you don't because there is no point to a statement like that. Curiouser and curiouser....

Let me help you out then. One way of facilitating all the emotions, winds of freedom from oppression, dissatisfaction with No voters, would be for Yes voters like yourself to voluntarily pay 55% more income tax into the Scottish Government's coffers. I am sure the SNP could set this up into a holding fund, maybe a bit like Norway's oil fund, until the appropriate legislation was enacted.

Alternatively, a charitable foundation could be set up and you could all pay 55% extra income tax into that.

The real point, which should be evident to anyone decent and fair, is that you have no issue with people you obviously despise paying tax into Scotland. So you are happy to take their money but not accept their views. Particularly their democratically expressed views.

Chesly, I think a few people are asking for clarification on your "taking our taxes" statement. Maybe you could possibly address those people with serious questions instead of carrying on your childish little jibes with me.