To ask all Scottish MNrs to work together 2

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Sorry, filled the last thread with this, thought I'd better be part of Team Scottish MN and work together for those of us on the old thread...

Here's Armando's thoughts. I vote him in for everything.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/scottish-referendum-massive-voter-turnout-means-politics-changed-for-ever

cedric I'm fed up with it all now, particularly the blaming and divisiveness. Agree with what you said above. Scotland voted to remain in the UK so it's time the current government got back to doing what they were elected to do.

Sadly Behoove that includes attempting to destroy the public sector as in Danny Alexandets dossier today stating nearly half a million public sector jobs are to go, including 1 in 10 of all public sector jobs in Scotland, not forgetting the part that states gaps should be made up by the private sector. God it's depressing. And yes I know No voters will say not half as depressing as what an independent Scotland would be like !

Whaaaaaaaaat?

You've lost it now.

You made a stupid statement, trying to claim some kind of high ground reminding us again that you work. Just admit it was a nonsensical thing know come out with, don't go to a whole new level of wtf by digging yourself deeper.

But how depressing an independent Scotland might have been is by the by now isn't it? That's an horrendous level of cuts, the private sector can't possibly pick up the pieces can they?

I also haven't made any derogatory comments about no voters.

I've been a little bit annoyed (possibly a bit more than I should have ) about certain demographics being discussed and objected to being told what yes voters think, even though that's not what any of them were saying.

Other than that I've had an interesting conversation and made a couple of jokes about Tommy Sheridan.

But yeah, yes voters hate no voters and are happy to take their taxes anyway....

The real point, which should be evident to anyone decent and fair, is that you have no issue with people you obviously despise paying tax into Scotland. So you are happy to take their money but not accept their views. Particularly their democratically expressed views

Sorry, I keep going back to this paragraph. It's classic! Pure dead brilliant, right out of daily mail satire something. It's so out there I'm in amazement that you even managed to come to any conclusion on the back of your initial statements, then excelling yourself with that.

SpiritedWolf couldn't agree more with your post at 20:39.

The idea that we will get dragged through this again and again and again until we get the 'right' result is profoundly depressing. Lets all fight among ourselves until the country is in a complete mess. Yay.

What about the tax funded things you are in receipt of Chelsy? Are you happy that the like of Brian Souter contributed? How do you work out Jim Dillard contribution and avoid taking it? What about my taxes? Are you happy to take them?

Will we all get a wee pot and a list of who pays what and then what it's spent on so I can avoid the bit of pavement the wanker up the road contributed to?

*Sillars

Just thought I'd pop back and see how this thread was going. Eek. Think I'll say goedenacht en slaap lekker for now!

Aye, good plan Secret. The relentless negativity is really getting me down.

I know. But hopefully we'll get there. I think this has been the least angry/upset thread on the subject yet, maybe? Post-ref anyway. There's lots of points of agreement here, even if it's just that tommy Sheridan and George Galloway should be jettisoned from the human race.

tabulahrasa

You seem like one of the non shouty 'yes' voters, who voted 'yes' after much thought and don't seem to be chewing up and spitting out NO voters :)

I am sure you have stated your views lots of times on these threads and I've probably read them, but I'm losing track of who said what!

Earlier you posted

I was happy enough with what I found out when I researched myself about what were more likely outcomes than those stated in the white paper, I went into it with the assumption are going to present an unrealistic optimistic view of anything while campaigning

How do you feel now after the ref? Do you still think after seeing what has happened and the way AS has acted and all the other stuff that YES was the right answer? That independence (now) was the right answer?

You say you were 'happy enough with what I found out' - how did you think it would work?

What did you think of the currency issue?

The EU issue?

Basically all the things the NO voters were asking about but being told to STFU about?

I am NOT asking you to defend yourself, not at all, I would just like to understand the reasoning behind the Yes voters that weren't just 'Yes at any cost' voters.

If you can't be arsed - fair play :)

If we're picking no voters to get taxes from, can I have Duncan Bannatyne's and JK Rowling's instead of Chelsy's?

Because I'm fine with no voters, but if we get to choose what we get, I'd quite like more...

If the referendum had been 55% Yes, 45% No, what do you think would be the reaction to planning for a referendum in a few years to rejoin the UK, claiming that electing a majority of union-supporting MPs was a clear mandate to rejoin the UK without a vote on it etc?

If the referendum had been 55% Yes, 45% No, what do you think would be the reaction to planning for a referendum in a few years to rejoin the UK, claiming that electing a majority of union-supporting MPs was a clear mandate to rejoin the UK without a vote on it etc?

I'd be a pit pissed off because I am a Yes and would like independence, And not want to lose it. But, I totally accept that it would be their democratic right to do so (although in that case I'd think the rUK should have a say too)

Secret, jij ook meisje, slaap lekker.

Rita You made a stupid statement, trying to claim some kind of high ground reminding us again that you work. Just admit it was a nonsensical thing know come out with, don't go to a whole new level of wtf by digging yourself deeper.

Socialism can be hard, I know. Its not all kittens and roses.

Will you be participating in the boycott mentioned above?

Yes, rejoining would be tricky to do unilaterally . I do genuinely (not just as a No voter) think we should not be going through this again within the next few years. We should be pressuring both Holyrood and Westminster - we need to look at powers, we need to look to see what needs done, we need Holyrood to be concentrating on Scotland not a referendum. Also (engage boring scaremongering financial services persona ) a lot of potential investors and businesses will think twice about the uncertainty.

Secret Just thought I'd pop back and see how this thread was going. Eek. Think I'll say goedenacht en slaap lekker for now

Ik ook. Ik heb onzekerheid over de taalbeheersing ahem. Te veel duifjes, denk ik...welterusten en hebt juillie mensen een gelukkig oorlog!

Itisall is it independence at any cost for you? I don't see you prepared to conscience any other way forward - which in my experience of my yes voting friends is unusual. In rl most of them accept that Scotland has spoken and rejected independence, and they are prepared to get on with making the best of it and lobbying for greater powers and equality.

If you weren't so single issue and could look at it as less "us" and "them" then it may be more constructive than trying to reject the clear majority.

Currency - I thought a currency union was a stupid idea, so I wasn't bothered about that being a no. As in Scotland would be tied to England about things like interest rates, but have no say in financial policy.

The most obvious choice seemed to be to use the pound for a while and then either set up a currency or use the euro...which I know would cause instability for a while or be an issue because there's issues with the eurozone. (Both in causing problems and in how people feel about)

The EU - it was pretty obvious that we would not get automatic entry, but worst case we'd have to join as a new country and the problems with that weren't insurmountable, things like Spain having an issue with us being independent because of catalunya were a bit of a moot point really as we also have things like fishing rights that they use and us actually becoming independent would be longer ago anyway, if catalunya were going to get more vocal it would have already have been done and dusted. Immigration might be more of a sticking point because of the border with England and England having a different immigration policy, but I don't think an impossible issue.

So basically I was ok with a few years of instability...which I know is not popular

No, I wasn't happy with the white paper and I wasn't happy with the campaign tbh, but I wasn't happy with either campaign.

If I was in charge, lol, it would have been a different, more realistic message coming from the yes camp, rather than follow us, it'll be amazing, which a couple of people said earlier they would have been happier about, so maybe I should have been? Lol

But I'm in charge of nothing and they're only my opinions based on what I found out from everything I could get hold of, lol.

Too many lols, sorry.

I think the whole thing would have been better with people like most of us in charge.

I would have had a two stage ballot paper - yes/no, then devo max/plus/status quo. Bemused why Dave didn't give me a call really

I would also have enlisted some of the wonderful No ladies here (and maybe a few politicians) and had a radically different No campaign.

Oh yes, to be fair - I would have voted for a good devo max option, I was yes because it was yes or no.