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To expect her to do some of the travelling?

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Justkeepsmiling1 · 20/09/2014 17:42

DP and his ex used to live about a 10-15minute walk away from each other so travel for contact of their 4 yr old was never an issue. About a yr ago his ex moved 10 or so miles away, which doesn't sound far but since both rely on public transport, is actually about a 40 minute bus journey - buses really suck here! She expected him to do all transport which was unfair (IMO) but he did it as it was the only way he was able to see his son. We've now moved another 20 miles (a 50 min train journey) in the opposite direction and when he spoke to her about it before moving, she agreed she'd meet in the place they used to live so they'd share travelling. Unfortunately, that's not happened and DP faces huge arguments if he tries sticking to the agreement of meeting halfway(ish) instead of taking him / picking him up directly from her flat. She says it was our choice to move (fair enough) but fails to see it was her choice to move in the first place!
Aibu to expect her to help with transport? If we were the only ones that moved I could understand it but at the end of the day she moved too so IMO should help! Yesterday she started shouting and swearing at DP as he said he'd drop him back in the middle tomorrow (like originally agreed) instead of flat! We would never ever expect her to come all the way here but she thinks it's DP's duty to go all the way to her.

OP posts:
mumukahoney · 21/09/2014 18:02

flossy several posters have said he's never provided for his child and that he's spent his whole adult life sponging. No one would say that of a young Mother with a young child and I accept the situation is different now and he needs to get a job that means he can travel and provide for his child. But as I said earlier I think it's unfair to says he's NEVER done anything for the child.

areyoustilltalking · 21/09/2014 18:03

OP - You need to think carefully before marrying this man. He is financially insecure, and I think it is dangerous for you to tie yourself legally to someone who is unable to support himself without your help. Marriage is something you should do when he is capable of contributing to it, not just all on you. It seems very telling of your situation that you and your parents are paying for it, and he isnt - kind of like your domestic situation as a whole.

Are you prepared for being a step parent. It isnt easy at all. You are committing to having this little boy, and his mother in your life for the long haul. You will never come first to your DP, your needs and wishes will always come second, can you handle that? You seem lovely, and I speak from someone who has been through hell, with a wet lettuce of her own. The fact that you are willing to contribute to your partners son is lovely, but he needs to have the means to do it himself.

You have been roasted on here, so I'm just going to say please please think long and hard before getting married. I'm not saying leave him, but its a commitment I don't think he should be making before he can offer you some security. By security I mean, being equally able to contribute to your life together. The money your parents are spending on a wedding, would be better spent on you - learning to drive, or holiday, or a secret get out fund. I'm not saying he is a bad person, but he doesnt seem to be able to be relied upon. Never leave yourself without security and options. Take it from someone who married and had kids with a cocklodger and is still cleaning up his mess, after we have split.

I do think he needs a serious chat with a careers advisor, to properly explore his options. The OU is fantastic and is a sensible option. He needs the means to support himself as well as his kid, and needs to be able to do so without you. A bit of time properly exploring his options will not be time wasted. I would spend some time researching places locally that can assist with job searching, CVS etc. If he is applying and searching and having no joy, something is up. His CV may need work, etc.

Ignore his ex and her situation, no matter how annoying, it will do nothing but make you bitter. Sit down, have the talk with him, and together come up with a viable, workable plan where he can study but earn more. He may need to give up this course, or embark on a different one, as I suspect he isnt getting any luck, due to him not having clear availability like other jobseekers.

I hope you dont see my post as an attack, as I think sometimes a bit of support is needed, but you need to look at your situation from an outsiders point of view. You are only treated the way you allow yourself to be treated, ffs, dont let that be like a bank with unlimited credit, or basically his Mum.

Big hugs xx

riverboat1 · 21/09/2014 18:04

There's a lot of sexism on this thread, it seems to me.

OP, my DP's ex moved away (changing the pickup from a 20m drive to a 40m drive) but DP does all the travelling. We do look on it as the fact that his ex does the lion's share of the childcare/school pick ups/ferrying of DSS to activities, so it is perfectly reasonable for DP to do all the travelling to faciliate his contact time. We are lucky though not to have financial issues and DP drives, otherwise it would be a nightmare to be honest.

I think it's not on that she has reneged on her promise to do half the travelling. But I am a strong believer in picking your battles, and I think given the situation with your DP not being in a position to pay real maintenance, and the fact that you DID move away (even though she moved too, you moved further) you should let this one go and just scrape together the money any way you can to facilitate the travel yourselves. Good point about care jobs upthread, could that be a possibility?

formerbabe · 21/09/2014 18:05

But now...he is not supporting child and is whinging about travelling for less than one hour every fortnight to see his son!

JanineStHubbins · 21/09/2014 18:06

Good post areyoustilltalking

GimmeMySquash · 21/09/2014 18:09

I can't get my head around a fit 23 year old Man is in the situation he is in. He is studying with children 7 years younger for a career that is unstable and will take years to achieve. He has 4 full days and 6 full evenings a week every second week, no child to care for in his home and he is earning £8 pw. He hasn't even got the get up and go in him to support his child never mind enough money to pay bus fair to visit his child. Who is paying for his bills, housing, college equipment, travel to college, meals and social life? Again OP, please do not tie yourself to this Man.

FlossyMoo · 21/09/2014 18:10

mum I must have missed those posts sorry. For me it is not about man/woman/mum/dad it is about what the parents are doing NOW to support the child.

How many posts are there from single mothers who are struggling to get by on a pittance or nothing provided by the ex. Yes this man was a SAHD which is great but a few years doing that does not mean he has no further responsibility for his son. I think bettering yourself is a good thing but it should not be at the detriment of those who are relying on you now to take care of them as his son is.

mumukahoney · 21/09/2014 18:16

flossy I completely agree he needs to get some means of supporting himself and the child whilst he studies.
I disagree with posters who say he should give up on his choice job. Life's too short not to follow your dreams. But I agree he could get a job and still do this.

FlossyMoo · 21/09/2014 18:21

I think he should go for further education. I started my OU course in Feb and I'm 37 Blush In fact the degree I am doing would be better for him if he wishes to do counseling, as others have said the college course he is doing at the moment won't really give him the well paid career he is dreaming of.

Life is to short but his life is not the only one he is responsible for now and he needs to take that in to consideration.

Sassyb0703 · 21/09/2014 18:21

one thing that makes my blood boil than any other on mn is IGNORANT 'holier than thous' who keep parroting 'it's none of your business' to OPs who post in complications between DP/Dh and their ex's. Really ?? If you live with a man who has children by former relationship/marriage of course the decisions made involve you. You don't live in an insulated bubble. ! Normally all money from a couple is in a joint pot, I know that I spent many many years buying birthday/Christmas presents for my dsc when their dad was unable to. Now my health is poor and I am not working he does same for me. So yes OP I don't think yabu but the way to deal with it is to go to court for a specific steps order and get it written down in black and white. We had exactly your problem and as the judge said, the reason your ex wife got the house and a 70/30 split on the money was because she looked after the children.. you can't have it both ways ! It worked for us...thank God they are all older now and have chosen to live with us ! (bar 2 out of 7)and are all now capable of getting on a train to visit their mum, but it was a long haul !

FlossyMoo · 21/09/2014 18:23

Sass have you posted on the right thread Confused

areyoustilltalking · 21/09/2014 18:25

OP - when it comes to your OH I applaud that he is at college trying to better himself, instead of on his arse doing nothing at all. BUT I would make the point that I dont think it is that productive. What qualifications does he have already? Does he have an alternative career plan, if for any reason this one doesn't work out, and I would say in the current climate it is a safe bet it wont. He needs workable skills now to help him - I'm in a job I hate, but , also study for the job I want. I cant just study as my kids are accustomed to eating and wearing clothes, it is the same for your DP. Yes its not just his burden, its his exs too, but ten pounds a week goes no where, and besides from that HE has living expenses for himself as well, and I mean HE has these expenses, not you.

Research how to bring travel costs down, ie travelling off peak, fare savers, rail cards etc. Yes his ex should not have gone back on an agreement, but welcome to step parenting, it happens all the time. Thank God she is allowing contact at all, I have known contact stop for a lot less, and court will be more expensive than travel expenses. I would also arrange for a visit with perhaps Citizens advice, as he is studying part time, but has expenses, do you qualify for additional help - ie housing benefit, jobseekers allowance - check with them anyway, they might know of some additional support, and may be able to help him with or refer him to someone who can help with his job search, CV, careers advice etc

FGS - help him do the above, dont do it for him. He needs to be as pro active as you are being or it will lead to resentment on both sides xx

MommyBird · 21/09/2014 18:29

Dh and I was kind of in the same situation.

I fell pregnant. 'twas a right shock!
I was 19, just finished college, he was 20, working part time and wanting to go to uni to study computer programing.
That went out the window.
Instead he got a full time job.

6 years on. He is still in the same job, our DDs are fed, have nice clothes, we go out on days out, our bills are paid, we even managed to get married on a budget..he is now in the process of doing his degree.

My point is. He put his wants and needs aside to provide for his girls. Yes, he wanted to better himself but he knew our baby needed nappies..and doing what HE wanted, wasn't really an option.

Your DP isn't providing anything and now moaning he doesn't want to make 2 bus rides a fortnight!? Hmm

Sassyb0703 · 21/09/2014 18:30

no sorry Angry AngryAngry wrong thread

lunar1 · 21/09/2014 18:35

I think he needs to rethink his carers ideas. He will be a long time doing counselling qualifications before he will ever be able to make money from it.

If I was in his position I would look at doing a nursing course. Maybe he would enjoy mental health nursing? It is only 3 years and you get paid a bursary to train. Plus he could work bank shifts as a carer, and earn some money.

It might be a longer way round but once qualified and earning some good money he could look at retraining in the future. He has to find a way of improving his prospects and supporting his child now.

You really need to let go of your history with your ex friend, it's not doing any of you any good.

Justkeepsmiling1 · 21/09/2014 18:36

I'm dubious about responding as I don't want to argue with anyone and don't want to get shot down in flames by anyone.

Flossy can I ask, what course are you doing now? I was always under the impression you couldn't do a degree without first getting A Levels, or a course at a similar level. OU would certainly be a better option in the long run if at all possible. Since I went straight to university (well after one gap year), I know very little about the other options out there.

Areyou - if counselling doesn't work out he'd like to go into teaching or really just anything related to youth work if neither of those options work. He currently only has GCSEs as his top level qualification. Tbh though I'm working at the moment, I don't have an alternative plan for if I lost my job and I certainly didn't have an alternative plan when I was in uni - heck I just stumbled through and prayed for the best before finding this opportunity now. But perhaps it'd be different if I had a child. Honestly I know things could be much worse re contact - she stopped contact a while back for ages. He went to a solicitor (he was working at that point and paying maintenance) who said they could send her a letter and tell her to let him see his DS but they wouldn't take it to court. They could then try mediation where she agreed contact during mediation before withdrawing it immediately after. He went back to his solicitor who was going to send out another letter but then DSS's mum said fine you can see him. Solicitor then refused to take it to court since she eventually changed her mind. So believe me, we know just how easy contact can be stopped and so realistically just doing all the travelling means he has it easy now he's at least allowed DSS every other weekend + half hols.

OP posts:
Justkeepsmiling1 · 21/09/2014 18:38

Lunar mental health nursing could be a good route - excellent idea, thanks! And yes, I know I do. I shouldn't let it bother me but sometimes it does and I'm really trying my best. I simply brought her up as some people were slagging off my DP and making out he's never contributed even though he was a sahd and then working for at least a year.

OP posts:
CrotchMaven · 21/09/2014 18:57

So many questions...

Why counselling? Is there a particular reason why he (and you) think it's a viable option?

When he decided to "better himself" did he not consider areas that are booming, like construction related industries as an example off the top of my head?

Does he have anyone giving him impartial advice?

How long until he is qualified enough to bring in any money from it?

How has he managed to convince you to subsidise him? At the moment, he can't finance commitments as if he were single and childless. What would he do if he were single?

Why did you move? I can't quite work that out.

Why are you all "good idea" when people suggest mainstream earning options like care work or call centres? Have these not occurred to him before?

Please don't marry him yet. You two are in an unrealistic bubble that has disaster written all over it. That's why people are getting frustrated with your focus on his ex.

Theboulderhascaughtupwithme · 21/09/2014 18:58

To answer a response to my post, yes, if the mother herself cannot meet the basic needs of her child then yes if would also suggest she step up. But we are not discussing her on this thread are we?

GimmeMySquash · 21/09/2014 19:05

He could change his two year A level course to a one year Access course so he can get on a degree for nursing OP. As has been said already he could take on shifts as a carer when studying and pay towards his DS. He will also get some money towards the degree from the NHS.

LiverpoolLou · 21/09/2014 19:12

Sorry but I agree with the other posters on here. I understand that you want to defend your bloke and all but really he is a dead beat dad. Personally if my ex offered £10 a week maintenance, which would actually have been paid by his new girlfriend, I think I'd refuse it too. It's a pittance and insulting.

I also don't buy the 'doing everything but can't find any sort of job whatsoever' excuse. We live in a rural area of high unemployment and my DD is still in education but has managed to find a job all off her own back for 1 day a week and she's autistic.

So in answer to your question, yes YABU to expect her to do some of the travelling. But you would not be unreasonable to stop funding it and expect you DP to grow up and support his child himself.

FlossyMoo · 21/09/2014 19:38

Hi Just

I have no qualifications and applied with the OU to do a psychology degree. I have received government funding because I work part time. It will take 6 years to complete as the course I chose is part time.

There is a combined psychology & counseling degree available with the OU. You need to have access to a pc and they send you all the study materials once you have received funding.

If he really does want to have a better future and he is serious about counseling then he would be better getting a job and doing a OU. It is hard work I won't lie and some weeks I want to just give up but I am determined so I do what I have to.

Italiangreyhound · 21/09/2014 20:56

I am quite shocked that some people think that there have been no rude comments or people being unpleasant on this thread because there definitely have been and the OP has come back and been polite (IMHO) again and again. I am quite prepared to be disagreed with but if you look back from start, quite a few unpleasant comments and lots of sexist assumptions about what makes a 'real' man, which I would fine equally offensive if stereotypical comments were made of a 'real' woman!

It is really good to see so many positive helpful suggestions too. Hopefully Just you can take all the useful stuff and make good use of it.

I really hope things will work out for the best for all concerned.

Alwayswiththechords · 21/09/2014 21:14

Wow some of the comments on this thread........really??? (looking at you in2theblues, MrsWinnibago et al.) REALLYY?????

NeedsAsockamnesty · 21/09/2014 21:31

He hasn't been a SAHD for quite sometime. On the OP's other thread she mentioned him having been on JSA for the last year and assessed as nil rate for maintenance for that time

If he was on JSA he wouldn't have been assessed as nil rate he would have either had the csa £5 pw or the new agencies £7 pw depending on who assessed him.