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To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

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SantanaLopez · 19/09/2014 06:20

No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

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WildThong · 19/09/2014 08:33

ach, get over yourself fanjo
You are looking for unkindness where it doesn't exist.

EarthWindFire · 19/09/2014 08:35

Surely thank you for the Brew

Fontella · 19/09/2014 08:36

I think the rest of the UK owes a great deal to Scotland and that is going to become increasingly apparent in the weeks and months to come. What you have done up there is unprecedented. You have brought passion back to politics and shown people right across these islands what can be achieved. I know this phrase is being repeated to the point we will probably all get pissed off with hearing it but it's absolutely true, as the commentators are saying 'things will never be the same' and we have you in Scotland to thank for that.

Scotland led the way and pushed the UK to the brink, thankfully not over the cliff, but to a point where all of us, in whichever corner of these islands we live, have had had to wake up. We were all pissed off with the political elite but felt too powerless or apathetic to do anything about it. All that is set to change, I have absolutely no doubt about that. I don't think it will stop at the UK either - Europe is watching and I think they also will have to wake up the fact that democratic reform is needed in the EU too.

You've also taken us away from party politics - the traditional ways of voting. In this referendum people voted on the issue, not on their political affiliations. I kept getting told by the yes voters on here - this isn't about Alex Salmond and the SNP - and I didn't get it. Now I do.

We so often overlook the calibre of the individual politician and focus too much on what party they represent. My resolution in future is to pay more attention to the candidate regardless of what colour rosette they wear. There are good politicians in all parties (and an awful lot of bad ones) and we need to find the good ones and bring them to the fore. People who will work together across the party political divide for the good of the people they were elected to represent.

I think the enormity of Scotland leaving hadn't really hit home to a lot of people, but I think it will .. once the dust settles. At the risk of sounding like a wet lettuce, we nearly lost each other. Forget about the politicians now – I’m talking about the people. the children, the families, the farmers and the teachers and the ordinary British people.

Yes – we are British ... and it is perfectly possible to be Scottish and British, Welsh and British, English and British. I have always been Welsh first British second, and that is what defines me. I am sure it is the same for some of you – you are Scottish first, but also feel British. I have never understood why it has to be one or the other.

I am hugely proud of being Welsh, hugely proud – every bit as proud as you are to be Scottish. I’ve stook in the crowd at Twickenham and Cardiff Arms Park (yes I’m quite old Grin) with my heart bursting out of my chest singing Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau and screaming at the Welsh side to kick England’s (or Scotland’ or Ireland’s) arses. But then … I’m dancing around my living room when the Lions kick Australia’s arse too, because I'm British. One doesn’t have to negate or compromise the other. We can be both.

Scotland has given an almighty boot up the jacksy of the political establishment that has invigorated debate in Wales, England and Northern Ireland. I honestly believe that what you have started will result in a fairer and better UK for us all.

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Luckytwo · 19/09/2014 08:40

All I want to know is how am I supposed to do any work today ? I am so bloody exhausted .......
Shower and strong coffee for me I think.
I think overall 45:55 is a very close call for a referendum of this magnitude.
I have faith in the people of Scotland to get over it and back to business as usual very quickly. I just hope that Cameron etc will deliver although all I'm hearing us that the Barnett formula is dead in the water - it's not going to be an easy few months now.

claig · 19/09/2014 08:42

Great post, Fontella.

Let's hope these politicians listen and take note of what so many people thought.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/09/2014 08:43

Wildthing that's your opinion.

Happy to stand by my comments.

:)

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/09/2014 08:44

Sorry, my ipad won't recognise thong.

PrettyPictures92 · 19/09/2014 08:44

I think that we all need some respite from the politics and, yes, disappointment and time to rebuild our communities. Mine was one where the majority voted yes but it wasn't enough. Maybe we just weren't ready for independence. But it has still caused a massive rift in communities and caused a lot of bad feelings and that's not so easily gotten over.

Some places need time to heal before we think about the future. Hopefully it won't take too long, and hopefully this will set change in motion. But not today, today we need to repair ourselves first.

WildThong · 19/09/2014 08:45

fanjo
As am I.

Mrsjayy · 19/09/2014 08:45

Aye its just relief I feel no need to gloat or be smug really just relieved. I really am chuffed scotland spoke 80odd% of the population turned out its bloody amazing.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/09/2014 08:46

Good, that's that then Wild

Celticlass2 · 19/09/2014 08:46

Very interesting that already the timetable for more powers might take a bit longer than previously thought Hmm Who'd have thought it eh?
You've been sold a dupe.
I'm off to the holiday and book threads. No more to say really. Smile

JustSayNoNoNo · 19/09/2014 08:47

Well said, Fontella.
The outcome IS a vote for change. Not the dramatic change the Yes voters wanted, but change all the same, and change for all of the UK, not just for Scotland.

Mrsjayy · 19/09/2014 08:49

My heart did go out to Nicola Sturgeon though she looked heartbroken I like nicola

WildThong · 19/09/2014 08:49

fanjo yes it is.

Gullygirl · 19/09/2014 08:49

Relieved here.

MorrisZapp · 19/09/2014 08:51

There was a letter in the paper last week from a bloke in Yorkshire suggesting that the Scots aren't daft and the whole thing was set up, ie we tell the pollsters we're going to vote yes (despite not actually planning to) in order to put the fear of god up Cameron and co, and have them throwing extra promises at us in their bid to keep us.

There's tactical, and there's Scottish tactical :)

claig · 19/09/2014 08:53

Morris, I doubt that was really the case because it came very close. You can't fake passion, you can't fake hope, the people are not like the political class. I think it was genuine and it has shaken the Establishment to the core.

CallMeExhausted · 19/09/2014 08:58

Having been through this in Canada - the Quebec referendum in 1993 in which the no side won with a margin too close to announce formally for more than 24 hours (50.7% no, 49.3% yes) and a greater than 93% turnout for eligible voters - I have been watching this all with rapt attention.

We survived, you will too. However, there will be a scar in the relationship that will never disappear (including those who wish that the yes side won just so this is finally over with).

claig · 19/09/2014 08:59

The disaffection with the entire political class and how people are governed was real. The lack of trust in the BBC and our institutions is real. And what the political pundits don't understand is that it is very similar all across England too. Clacton will show that.

The people are waking up and they want democracy, accountability and real representation. The smug faces of the political schmoozers on TV won't satisfy them anymore.

cedricsneer · 19/09/2014 09:04

I'm getting pretty fucking bored of being told I am stupid and naive as a no voter. Angry

cricketpitch · 19/09/2014 09:06

Great post Fontella That is how I feel.

EarthWindFire · 19/09/2014 09:07

You've been sold a dupe

No I wasn't. I had a vote and chose how to use it, just like everyone else in Scotland.

StatisticallyChallenged · 19/09/2014 09:08

Yeah, ditto cedricsneer.

PhaedraIsMyName · 19/09/2014 09:08

Celtic I didn't base my decision on the extra powers.