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To ask all Scottish MNers to join in and work together?

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SantanaLopez · 19/09/2014 06:20

No gloating.
No blaming.

Just appreciation for a huge turnout and a peaceful process.

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WildThong · 19/09/2014 09:11

cedric, sc

Agree, it is tiresome. We are easy targets. Maybe once the dust settles they will start to look at their own campaign, their offer to the people and the way it was conducted - and maybe think 'what could we have done better?'

MehsMum · 19/09/2014 09:11

Fontella, that was a great post.

Having been exasperated and frustrated by the campaign (due to the feeling of utter powerlessness), and bored rigid by the wall-to-wall coverage, I surprised myself this morning by being relieved by the result.

I am genuinely delighted that the Scots have voted to stay with the rest of the UK.

Now we can sort out little things like the West Lothian question. We can all hope for a reinvigorated democracy and maybe if we get that, we might get some better politicians...

Luckytwo · 19/09/2014 09:11

But I thought the yes voters were being called thick.
Everyone on both sides can't be thick, Confused

SlicedAndDiced · 19/09/2014 09:13

Is it me or did Cameron just basically say 'It's over now, no going back. Right time to talk about England again. Shut up scots'

(English by the way, and was undecided on the vote issue. But I am definitely picking up the vibe that Scotland won't be getting all they were promised. I think the whole of the uk will get a severely watered down version of devolution instead. Im not sure if that's a bad or good thing yet)

WildThong · 19/09/2014 09:16

sliced

It's you. He is the Prime Minister of the UK so was making sure in his speech was inclusive to reflect that.

StatisticallyChallenged · 19/09/2014 09:16

Everyone on both sides can't be thick, confused

No, we definitely can't!

EarthWindFire · 19/09/2014 09:16

Is it me or did Cameron just basically say 'It's over now, no going back. Right time to talk about England again. Shut up scots'

No he said that it's time for change for everyone. That each of the parts of the Union get to vote exclusively on issues that affect them only which tbh seems fair enough to me.

rainbowinmyroom · 19/09/2014 09:18

Work together to what?

cedricsneer · 19/09/2014 09:19

Why all the focus on cameron? I voted no because of the currency union and the economic case making no sense, as so brilliantly and exhaustively illustrated by statistically challenged. Not because of a vow in the daily record. Confused

tilliebob · 19/09/2014 09:19

Agree with Fontella (again). What amazed me watching through the night was that traditional voting strongholds largely meant nothing - people did vote solely on the issue. Fantastic engagement across the country.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 19/09/2014 09:20
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WildThong · 19/09/2014 09:20

Correct cedric

EarthWindFire · 19/09/2014 09:20

I am not thick, nor am I selfish, not am I 'one of the haves'.

I am proud of the country in which I live and proud that I made the decision I did, for my reasons, as I'm sure everyone did on both sides.

Yes it would have meant dramatic change for me personally if the vote had been yes, but if that had been what the majority had decided then so be it.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 19/09/2014 09:20
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Luckytwo · 19/09/2014 09:20

Lol why would you believe Cameron now ? It's already been proved he doesn't need Scotland ! Dear me !

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 19/09/2014 09:20
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WhatWouldFreddieDo · 19/09/2014 09:21

oops Blush

WildThong · 19/09/2014 09:23

luck it's a lolloing matter now?

cedricsneer · 19/09/2014 09:23

Tbf it's probably easier to believe we are all thick and have been duped than that we just didn't share the same vision for scotland or faith in independence.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/09/2014 09:26

Sliced..it's not just you.

And the comments on FB under his speech, calling for a big backlash against Scotland are just grim and depressing.

cedricsneer · 19/09/2014 09:27

I think it is also the concept of "otherness" that drives the need to pathologise our not voting in the same way. We can't be rational and well informed - we must be strange and different - unable to listen to reason. It's quite strange.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 19/09/2014 09:27

I don't blame Yessers for being upset - and sorry if that's too sanctimonious - but the Yes campaign has had a huge impact and will create change in the way we're governed, however depressed you feel this morning

WildThong · 19/09/2014 09:30

Because I'm sure David Cameron form policy by reading tripe on Facebook Hmm

wearenotinkansas · 19/09/2014 09:30

Another one here cheering Fontella's post.

And I think Beastofburden is probably right about the currency issue. It was always going to be difficult to resolve but there didn't seem to be anything like enough weight placed (by yes) on the problems Scotland would have while it was resolved. Or attention paid to the requirement to join the Euro if we wanted to rejoin the EU, and even the problems we might have had joining the EU at all. A different approach by the Yes leaders on these issues might have produced a different outcome.

As for the question of the referendum more widely and devomax, I think the SNP was elected on the basis of a manifesto that promised a referendum, not devomax? And more importantly, international law recognises the rights of people to self determination, which is what the referendum was deciding. So even without the Edinburgh Agreement, Scotland was - and is still - entitled to determine its own future.

I actually got quite choked up trying to explain to my eldest what might happen now. I sincerely hope we get the additional powers promised and I will be standing shoulder to shoulder with any yessers on this. And maybe in 20 or 30 years Scotland will have resolved some of these fundamental issues and will be ready to be independent. Or maybe our Union will have evolved to the point where we all feel like equal partners, in a community, and we no longer feel the need for it.

And Statisically I think you were talking about starting a new political party last night? If you do, count me in!

And with that I am off to work.

Roseformeplease · 19/09/2014 09:33

I voted No and I am not sure I want any extra powers for the Scottish Parliament. I didn't live here then, but my DH voted No to the Scottish Parliament in the first place.

I am happy. Quite a few pupils here today breaking uniform regulations with Union Jack clothing!