To be really annoyed with the debate today on Loose Women?

[ScouseBird8364]

Firstly, let me say, I do NOT watch this shite usually, I flicked it on as background noise this afternoon but was caught by the debate they were having, namely Domestic Abuse.

The whole debate was centred around the basis of the woman being the victim and the man, the perpetrator. They had a guest speaker on, I think she was affiliated with the refuge system in some way, very anti-men, and brought up these statistics about 95% of perpetrators being male etc.

This makes me so angry. The only reason the statistic is so unbalanced is because men don't come forward as often as women probably do.

I am aware of womens refuge's, but are there any for men?

I think far too much emphasis is placed on the male in these cases and is much too overlooked

Just my opinion, rant over.

so households with me account for most abused children at 57%

ha well not ME obviously - men men not me I have a womb

BINGO! I call Godwins.

Still no answer to my question then?

Weird AND ignorant!

Tom, in all seriousness, you need to broaden your reading horizons.

You also need to start paying for your children.

You also need to start listening to women.

You are the problem. Not the system, not the feminists, but you.

You have become indoctrinated by F4J type propaganda and see everything through the focus of poison and bile.

Meantime your children go without. That has nothing to do with me or society. The failure to provide for your children rests entirely with you.

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2004 --
? 31% were killed by fathers
? 30% were killed by mothers
? 23% were killed by male acquaintances
? 7% were killed by other relatives
? 3% were killed by strangers

Who to believe, The US Department of Justice or Warren Farrell.

A quote from a Warren Farrell book. No - excuse me - a direct quote, no less.

That's me convinced.

the sad fact is most of these kids probably do love their dads, but their dads love their own egos more than the poor kids.

Some of us will respond to a greater cause when we are called. The fight against gender discrimination and injustice in the current family court system.

Abolish all gender specific titles and just refer to parents as "parents". No more mother or father in court proceedings.

Yeah, tell it to the obstetrician, sunshine

you make no sense at all - possibly that is what goes against you in court etc

Mmmm, yeah, no need for titles because both men and women go through pregnancy and give birth don't they?

Oh, wait...

A greater cause? You don't pay your maintenance, mate. You're a loser Dad whose children will have no respect for him when they grow up. They won't give a toss about 'your cause'.

You sound unhinged.

I don't like this MRA.

Can we have a new one to pet instead, please ?

Tom do you know if your DIRECT quote is referencing the 2012 child maltreatment report it or some other one?

Because that's the one I'm reading, and it doesn't appear to say anything like what you said that weird Warren dude said it says.

What does not make sense? I am all for abolishing gender titles and gender discrimination. I feel that campaigns against violence should not be hijacked by feminist groups to promote their own gender hatred causes.

Violence is wrong irrespective of the genders of perpetrators and victims.

I wish that we could all be equal and these people who preach messages of gender hatred on here would stop forever pointing the finger of blame at one section of society who happen to have been born one gender.

Maybe Tom could give us a link to his DIRECT quote pun?

But I wouldn't hold your breath because he's given no links to anything so far. Too busy with his greater cause!

Nah, finger of blame is pointed entirely at you.

Tom, do bugger off and stop talking shite.

People keep asking for links to evidence and stats - you ignore them.

People ask questions (like me) - you ignore them.

Why are you still persisting?

Why does carrying a child for 9 months entitle you to greater rights?

It is the child's right to a relationship with both of its parents who make up 50% of their DNA each.

Held my breath so long I turned blue, whisk...

bless - it's not gender hatred deary it's just facts - facts you don't like but feminists didn't make them up - they happened because men beat, raped and murdered

Violence IS wrong absolutely but if you think what motivates a man to beat his wife to a pulp is the same things that motivates someone else to mug another person you are deluded

pay maintenance

look after YOUR children

be a better man

This is quite a hostile and unsupportive crowd. The "Mums" in mumsnet indicates your hostility to other parents and how you have chosen not to be inclusive.

It is the child's right to a relationship with both of its parents who make up 50% of their DNA each.

The family courts support this view too, and work with a presumption of contact. If you were denied contact by the courts I dare say there was a good reason.

oh Tom Tom Tom 'we' didn't invent Mumsnet

you may find more support here www.chestbeatingblatheringmales.com

Oh I am sorry. Are you feeling heckled ?

Perhaps you could explain how we should react to a man who doesn't pay child support ? A man who believes he is on a par with Mandela et al ? A man who has come here simply to promote an agenda and not to participate in a discussion.

We are not your audience. Your children are not your possessions. Game over Tom.

Actually Tom - we're only being hostile to you, not one another (all parents).

There are plenty of Dads on here - they even have their own section - and they manage to converse without being a twat and jabbing fingers at 'all the feminists'.

If you don't like the atmosphere, you can always leave - don't think you'll be missed.