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Indyref 13 - the one where people are nice to each other

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StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 08:42

This is continuation of the previous threads. I'm hoping this can be a thread for civilised debate and discussion from people on both sides of the voting line, and where undecided voters can come and chat and get opinions.

Some of the previous threads have gone downhill. So for the sake of a good discussion can everyone please try to avoid nasty comments about the other side? References to Nazis, people being selfish, stupid, thick etc don't help anyone. This vote will be over and the votes counted in about 48 hours. After that we have to pull together whatever the outcome.

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chocoluvva · 17/09/2014 10:24

Ohhh. x-posted

Spiritedwolf · 17/09/2014 10:27

Latte Yes, I think it does frustrate her. It has occurred to me that he could be a shy No (apparently he joked about putting a no thanks poster up while she was away) but I don't even know if he's registered to vote. He walked out of the room when the referendum came up when I was round (we were just chatting about wanting it to be over and decided rather than having a debate). I've no idea what he's really thinking.

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 10:29

I get what you mean chocoluvva. It's just another piece of ammunition for those of us (myself I mean) feeling the BBC is biased...and I don't just mean the referendum. I know they've been biased in the past with other important issues.

BMW6 · 17/09/2014 10:29

IRN

You misunderstand my point I think. I suggest that what they said, and was filmed and shown, was their true intentions/feeling re the vote.

Now that the show has aired I wonder if they are denying to protect themselves from the backlash from Yessers. Seems much more likely to me.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 10:31

spiritedwolf - Hopefully he is a shy 'No' and will sneak away to vote Grin I could live with someone who was a bit apathetic about general elections, I have much sympathy with the 'one is as bad as the other' line of thought, but this, this is different. I couldn't cope with someone being apathetic about it. Even if their vote differed to mine. I would lose a lot of respect for anyone saying 'Ah whatever' in the Referendum. He would, quite possibly, be under the patio by now!!

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 10:31

"Now that the show has aired I wonder if they are denying to protect themselves from the backlash from Yessers. Seems much more likely to me."

No, I don't think so. I think they are genuinely Yes voters and were not able to air their views for "balance" as KB said in his Tweet. To go down your train of thought is over complicating it....

Catzeyess · 17/09/2014 10:34

IrnBru would you have said the opposite of what you though because the bbc told you to. Actually happily sat there an said 'I'm voting no' because a bbc producer told you to?

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 17/09/2014 10:34

weebarra I am sorry about your DD Flowers

Catzeyess · 17/09/2014 10:35

In pretty sure no-one held a gun to their head

FannyFifer · 17/09/2014 10:36

NC for Aye, I've done polling stations for years. Smile
By all means give out the cards, but not if you are standing right at the door, it will piss people off.

We have loads of folk who have never been involved with anything like this so I have been trying to share what I do & what is good practice.

Be aware there will be folk trying to wind you up, if anyone is bothering me I usually say, I'm not here for a debate & move away, there's a time & a place & at a polling station is not it.
I usually just say hello to folk then they may talk to me or not. Smile

BMW6 · 17/09/2014 10:37

Of course you don't think so - doesn't fit in with your propaganda !

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 10:39

"IrnBru would you have said the opposite of what you though because the bbc told you to. "

Yes, I think the guys on the boat would have agreed to it if it was worded in such a way as to provide "balance" for a TV programme. Just like the BBC asked a 16 year old to be on the no side of a TV debate to balance out the numbers a week ago (even though she wants to vote Yes). They'll do what they have to to provide "balance" apparently...

RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime · 17/09/2014 10:39

People are seriously accusing the Yes side of planning to fix the ballot? And the police might be in on it too? I realise emotions are running high but please remember we have stringent electoral practices and checks in this country and it is one of the least corrupt in the world.

Ridiculous statements like that are not helping anyone. And as for the 'we were scared to put a sign up but it's not been vandalised yet' - so you mean 'our No sign hasn't been vandalised', then? I live in a busy part of Edinburgh with lots of Yes signs everywhere and some No too - they have not been touched. I haven't seen any abuse or aggression to anyone.

Oh, except for the two young men who were charged with assault for punching in the face a Yes supporting man attending the Usher Hall concert the other day. Should we all be gasping and worried about the thuggery on the No side then? No, they were a couple of violent idiots.

Nobody is going to hunt you down for voting No. For goodness' sake. Political discussion gets people worked up, hence the rule for never discussing religion or politics at polite dinner parties.

OneNight - I know someone who lives at no. 23 in my street and is planning to vote tomorrow, maybe that's the 23 you're looking for to confirm your psychic gift?

There are people lacking thinking skills on both sides of this campaign.

chocoluvva · 17/09/2014 10:40

But then it's sneaky of them to agree to saying they were no voters intending to then claim that they were 'made' to falsely declare themselves as no. If someone asked me to declare myself to be a yes voter I would refuse to do it. I might report that they had tried to make me say something, but I wouldn't do it and then complain about it.

How did this conversation go? It could have been that the BBC employee asked if they would mind calling themselves no voters (as the no voters present were keeping their heads down or whatever - or there unexpectedly weren't any). If they minded, they shouldn't have done it.

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 10:41

"Oh, except for the two young men who were charged with assault for punching in the face a Yes supporting man attending the Usher Hall concert the other day."

Aye where's all the press coverage of this then?! Not exactly on the same level as having an egg thrown at you is it.

BardarbungaBardarbing · 17/09/2014 10:41

So Rubbish try to allay fears instead of adding a bit more hype yourself.Hmm

BardarbungaBardarbing · 17/09/2014 10:42

IrnBru I saw that Usher hall attack reported I think on BBC red button.

RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime · 17/09/2014 10:43

I wish people on both sides would stop repeating rumours. We need this to be decided as honestly and fairly as possible. Unfortunately many people hear something that they find plausible, that they want to believe, and don't try to check it out. I wish it wouldn't happen, but I think some people on both sides will have come to an uninformed decision because of this.

squoosh · 17/09/2014 10:43

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IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 10:43

"If they minded, they shouldn't have done it."

I see what you're saying but if they were trying to cooperate with the staff on the show, they would have done it in time for it being broadcast, for the sake of not being difficult. People do sometimes say things in order to make life easy for everyone all round even if they don't always fundamentally agree with it.

chocoluvva · 17/09/2014 10:43

Ohh. I hadn't heard about the two men who were charged with assault. What's that story?

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 17/09/2014 10:44

RubbishRobot where has anyone said Yes are 'planning to fix the ballot' Confused?

We're all getting emotional, but I think most people on here trust the voting system itself.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 17/09/2014 10:44

What some folk are anxious about is being pressured one way or the other at the polling stations, or by family

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 10:44

Thanks Bard I will check this out, but hadn't seen it and I've had the news on for a while.

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 10:45

I haven't seen anything about ballot fixing, where was this?

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