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Indyref 13 - the one where people are nice to each other

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StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 08:42

This is continuation of the previous threads. I'm hoping this can be a thread for civilised debate and discussion from people on both sides of the voting line, and where undecided voters can come and chat and get opinions.

Some of the previous threads have gone downhill. So for the sake of a good discussion can everyone please try to avoid nasty comments about the other side? References to Nazis, people being selfish, stupid, thick etc don't help anyone. This vote will be over and the votes counted in about 48 hours. After that we have to pull together whatever the outcome.

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squoosh · 17/09/2014 15:47

We're all Grin at with you.

WildThong · 17/09/2014 15:53

Blush and I haven't even been drinking

mumsbox · 17/09/2014 15:56

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KristinaM · 17/09/2014 15:58

I've missed all the social unrest , must be happening somewhere else.

Everyone is talking about it and debating the issues. Even the kids in the playground. But that's a good thing IMHO. I've seen posters and flags up for both sides.

I think in RL most people are remarkably respectful of other peoples right to have an opinion . The only really nasty stuff I've seen is online . I've been Shock by some of the comments on MN

beatricequimby · 17/09/2014 16:00

For those of you who have ended with damaged relationships with friends and family over this, any tips on how to move forward? It's making me very sad.

squoosh · 17/09/2014 16:00

I've had three people try to win me around to Yes today, and I'd been doing so well to dodge them thus far. Very nice they were too.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 16:02

mumsbox I understand that but the questions are extremely biased towards yes. They don't have any depth to them. To end up coming out as a No you pretty much have to say you want the world to be impoverished and you like to kick kittens. I don't think the people who produced it, students or not, were neutral.

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lem73 · 17/09/2014 16:08

I suspect the advice to an undecided voter to spoil the ballot paper be a desperate attempt to prevent her swaying to No.
I've never been in your situation about voting, Tunnocks, but I would ask you to imagine how confident about the future you would feel if you woke up to a Yes vote on Friday morning. If you are still undecided about such a massive change, vote No.

WildThong · 17/09/2014 16:10

Well said lem
It's important to not waste your vote, especially in such a life-changing decision.

AnnieHoo · 17/09/2014 16:13

Totally sussed that too lem . Spoiling your paper is terrible advice! HmmHmmHmm

lem73 · 17/09/2014 16:14

Just had a look at that Tickbox. I didn't get to the end because some of its questions were so misleading. One question asked if I was in favour of reintroducing student visas. Isn't that incompatible with EU membership??

Roseformeplease · 17/09/2014 16:15

In the event of a Yes vote - what next for my savings? We will be outside the EU and the UK and Salmond is promising so much. Is he likely to try to fund this by taking money from those of us with Scottish bank accounts? There will no longer be any safeguards, as offered by the UK and EU. I don't have much but we have been saving for the children for years so they have money for university etc.

Also, my current account mortgage still really worries me. It is with an English based bank but now owned by RBS. Will they try to tax / grab money from this.

We are not wealthy, just worried.

BookABooSue · 17/09/2014 16:17

I can't find the link to the Gill Scott article. Can anyone post it please? TIA

EarthWindFire · 17/09/2014 16:17

For those of you who have ended with damaged relationships with friends and family over this, any tips on how to move forward? It's making me very sad.

Thanks I know that feeling. It is hard. Come Friday there will be a lot of unhappy people no matter what the result Sad

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StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 16:20

Roseformeplease you'll be covered by the FSCS at least up until "independence day" in the event of a Yes vote. That will give you plenty of time to work out the best course of action. It'll become clearer by then.

TBH, most of Salmond's policies aren't actually particularly socialist - dropping corporation tax and refusing to increase the top rate of income tax for example. I'd be surprised if he instituted some sort of raid on savings as part of normal policy. Of course, what will happen once he has to deal with the economic mess he's created, who knows.

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Igneococcus · 17/09/2014 16:22

Here Gill Scott bookaboo
Just read it myself and a few others on that site, I'd really like everyone to read the one from the medical researcher as well. I have been saying this about research in Scotland on the threads here before but it carries more weight from him than from me.

OneNight · 17/09/2014 16:26

mumsbox

It's propaganda. If that's what was intended and declared then so be it but don't you think it's manipulative and questionable to allow anyone to draw up and promulgate it without declaring their intent? I wonder what cynical messages that would send to any students involved?

TunnocksCW · 17/09/2014 16:27

The trouble is I don't think I will be waking up to massive change. I can't envisage how it will work internationally but once the endless paperwork is ploughed through and compromises made, what will actually change at home?

BookABooSue · 17/09/2014 16:28

Thanks Igneococcus Smile

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 16:30

For those who are undecided, just vote Yes tomorrow Wink

OneNight · 17/09/2014 16:31

For those of you who have ended with damaged relationships with friends and family over this, any tips on how to move forward? It's making me very sad.

It is indeed very sad. There are some relationships that I don't think will be recovered in the lifetime of the people involved even if only because the referendum has irritated or brought out into the open existing issues.

I have no tips on how to move forward on this specifically I fear. I'm sure that there will be other MN threads on the matter in the coming weeks.

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 16:31

You know it makes sense!

WildThong · 17/09/2014 16:34

Nope

IrnBruTheNoo · 17/09/2014 16:34

Ach, just joking WildThong. I think everyone's got their mind made up now anyway.

OneNight · 17/09/2014 16:36

Overnight probably very little Tunnocks. In the short to long term who can guess. It could be just about OK or it could be a complete disaster. The problems could last for 10 months or 10 years or 100 years.

But that's the point I think. We don't know - and we should know for a decision of this magnitude. You just don't throw real people's lives up in the air without doing some basic homework and that is something that the SNP have signally not done.