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Indyref 12 - keeping the ball rolling

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flippinada · 15/09/2014 20:38

Hope everyone doesn't mind, I'm to keep the discussion going. As you were folks :)

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ChelsyHandy · 16/09/2014 23:48

I also get the feeling when I look at AS on tv, he is very unhealthy. He looks to me like he has liver trouble or something. He just doesn't look right somehow, - I don't want to make personalised insults on people's appearance, but I'm trying to find some rational explanation for the revulsion I feel when I see him!

livingzuid · 16/09/2014 23:48

chelsy I agree. The quality of female politicians is sadly lacking. I'm such a fan of Merkel and dare I say it, Hillary. Also thought Condoleezza was OK for a Republican. I find it sad that we can't seem to produce fabulous female politicians. Theresa May I am suspicious of and as for NS the sooner we get this No vote done and dusted the quicker she can crawl off and stop causing trouble.

livingzuid · 16/09/2014 23:50

And yes AS is not looking well.

temporaryusername · 16/09/2014 23:51

GB wasn't just shafted by the Blairs (though I'm sure they had a large part in it), he managed his dealings with them on the basis that he wanted to stay in power and with a chance to be leader. He is a consummate politician and power player. As chancellor and PM he played an enormous role in the collapse of the Uk economy. I do agree that he can come across well at times, just not that you'd wanting him running the country. Cherie Blair is horrendous, and so is her husband. Urghh indeed.

I think Cameron is sincere about not wanting to see the Union break up, both for reasons of his own future/legacy, and also because (giving the benefit of the doubt which I don't think I've done before) he really does believe in the Union and would be sad to see it lost for the sake of all its members.

frankie80 · 16/09/2014 23:51

I wonder if around 3am we will have an idea of who will win.

I'd like to stay up for it, but I have work the next day and will need to sleep.

I might have bbc alerts on my phone to wake me up though.

I am very scared though. if 'yes' win this sends out the message that bullying and intimidation is the way to get what you want :(

Spiritedwolf · 16/09/2014 23:51

I've been a Gordon Brown fan girl since the 2010 GE and he was the reason I joined the Labour Party. Grin

I'm glad that people can see what I see, an intelligent and sincere person with his values in the right place. He did so much good with the power he had and was great at getting other leaders to do stuff like cancelling third world debt. He's an excellent speaker in person.

The media and Nick Clegg did for him I'm afraid. I suspect that the 'bigotgate' incident was him mishearing something the woman said because his hearing isn't great (I think it was possible it sounded like she has swore about the immigrants... I forget the exact details) and he apologised.

TBH I hope people have a good long think about Gordon Brown - someone sincere, intelligent and with the right values who didn't come across well in the media. Because I think that similar can be said about Ed Miliband. He is a very convincing speaker in Q&A sessions. And he does have good values. I know that some people who preferred his brother are still annoyed about him running for the leadership and winning, but I do hope that people don't let the media image of him stop them from giving him a chance. Obviously in opposition, with labour needing to figure out what they are offering at the next election, he couldn't really have had a huge profile, but I'm sure as the next election approaches and the manifesto is finalised we'll be able to see the difference a Labour government would make.

Sorry, that is off topic.

Apologies for being so far behind... toddlerwolf seems to take an age to fall asleep and then it takes me a while to catch back up.

squoosh · 16/09/2014 23:52

I'm getting my hair done on Friday. If I'm stepping into a brave new Scotland I want my hair to look shiny and swishy.

I thought AS looked really skinny on Sly News today. Maybe it was because he was sitting beside Adam Boulton though.

StatisticallyChallenged · 16/09/2014 23:54

Hopefully Team, could well see it going to the last count though. ARGH! My nerves! My nails will be gone!

Spiritedwolf · 16/09/2014 23:54

I don't know about you but I'd rather have someone sincere and a bit awkward, than have another slick Tony Blair/David Cameron type.

One day we might manage to get a someone whose heart is in the right place, is sincere and intelligent AND is loved by the media... but in the meantime I know which I'd choose.

Roonerspism · 16/09/2014 23:54

I'm another GB admirer. Agree with comments up thread that he was liked far more before be was PM. He seemed much more comfortable and relaxed in his role tonight. I have no doubt he is a cantankerous bugger but I feel he is a decent man.

AS does look ill. Is he a heavy drinker or is it the toll of the last few months? He is older than I realised. He is going to have to energise himself if there is the chance of having to negotiate a currency union on Friday!

frankie80 · 16/09/2014 23:55

bed time, under 2 days to go :(

AnnieHoo · 16/09/2014 23:58

What I would really like to see is GB as First Minister in the next Holyrood election.

NCforAye · 16/09/2014 23:59

if 'yes' win this sends out the message that bullying and intimidation is the way to get what you want

It sends out the message that the majority of the country want independence. The vast majority of Yes campaigners who may end up having helped to bring about such results are ordinary people involved in a democratic process in a peaceful fashion (just like the vast majority of No campaigners), not horrible bullies.

I do genuinely sympathise with people, whichever side, who will be upset or distressed on Friday morning, but vilifying either side with a massive brush stroke is just unhelpful!

livingzuid · 16/09/2014 23:59

swoosh meet every challenge looking fabulous Grin

NCforAye · 17/09/2014 00:01

Also, interesting article from Forbes r.e. the panicking markets: [http://www.forbes.com/sites/brettarends/2014/09/14/scottish-independence-stop-the-hysterics/?ss=energy]

livingzuid · 17/09/2014 00:01

nc that may be but it's been ruined for many of us now I think. Big bridges will need to be built regardless of the outcome.

TeamScotland · 17/09/2014 00:01

Vote Yes for Gordon Brown as first minister 2016. Go on, you know it makes sense.

BakerStreetSaxRift · 17/09/2014 00:02

Spirited I think it would be hard to find someone who is all those things AND loved by the media, I sort of imagine anyone that plays the media well is not a genuine person. Almost like they are mutually exclusive aspects of personality!

But yes, I know which I'd choose too.

livingzuid · 17/09/2014 00:02

I agree with the article but Forbes can't stop people being people. There will be panic and confusion with a Yes vote. Because no one is ready for it.

AnnieHoo · 17/09/2014 00:03

I don't think AS is a drinker. He's a gambler though. He used to write a column for the Herald on the horses.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2014 00:03

A friend just posted on Facebook going on about how a No vote would be shameful, we should be embarrassed, etc etc etc. That sort of rhetoric really pisses me off. There is nothing shameful about a carefully considered decision to say "I want to stay, thanks"

livingzuid · 17/09/2014 00:03

spirited great post.

livingzuid · 17/09/2014 00:04

annie that explains a lot!

NCforAye · 17/09/2014 00:04

I'm absolutely onboard with building bridges. But it needs to go both ways and be reasonable on both sides (I had a No voter tel me that once independence was rejected I should apologise for voting Yes before further progress could be made!). I think making statements that slur either side at this stage just widens the gap that needs to be bridged IYSWIM.