Indyref 12 - keeping the ball rolling

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Hope everyone doesn't mind, I'm to keep the discussion going. As you were folks :)

I think that that depends on the polling methodology TS. Many people are still genuinely torn and I think it's difficult to overestimate the trouble being caused by community, family and peer group pressure and expectations. (Versus beliefs on either side.)

Perhaps that poll reflected that.

Thanks Statistically that works fine.

The NHS certainly shouldn't be awarding contracts to weight watchers.

That's a huge amount of people. I'm not sure what's worse - knowing what you are/have voted and waiting for it be done or still not knowing.

Hi Numanoid. Am interested in what proposals you've heard re privatisation of NHS? Do you mean paying for treatment? GP visits, surgery? Genuine question as DH has long term health issues (has had a transplant) so will be on medication for rest of his life and probably need another transplant at some time in the future. He got a received a transplant via the National Organ Register so we are also concerned how this will work if we separate from the rest of the UK.

Do you not think it would be fairer to put more money into the NHS by scrapping universal free prescriptions, since exemptions we given to less well off anyway.

Thanks Statistically, I do notice they use a lot of "we believe" and "we think" though, it does seem to be opinion. It will be based on precedent, and predictions which they will try to make as accurate as possible, I see, but I can't take anything from either side as being the absolute truth as I think it's too hard to tell.

it must be recognised by 'Yes' voters that there is a section of them which are Nationalists and who hate the 'English', hate the 'Tories', and anyone who does not agree with them is called the former....I don't want these people to have any power at all. If we cannot put up banners which disagree what state does that leave our country in?

Where do I stand as a Yes voter whose car has been targeted (thankfully not damaged), and who has had abuse, deragtory comments, and more, in the street for wearing a Yes badge? I don't want that sort of person to have power either. :/ There are bad people on both sides, some Yes voters are pretty nasty, as are some No voters.

I suspect that universal free prescriptions are an article of SNP faith Ulysses and unlikely to change in the short to medium term.

Are there any guarantees that we will always have access to free healthcare in the UK

I have three long term conditions, bipolar being the one that dominates. I am far more anxious about Scotland being independent and the NHS suffering than the stability offered by staying in the UK. I understand your concern but I really believe it will be so much worse with independence.

Stability is very important for people like me and this feels like I am descending into a nightmare. I moved here thinking my health would improve and it has been the opposite! So much of what I have heard some (not all) of the Yes camp and parties and cheering and sheer crazy rationale that belongs in a sci fi film is making me ill again.

The threads have been a real godsend and there are so many intelligent posts. I honestly felt DH and I were alone in a sea of Yes that was making me so sad, so it is good to know we are not alone.

I know what you mean about either side Numanoid - but from investment banks that language really is exceptionally strong. If course they will say we think, we believe as it's a projection/prediction as everything is. It's looking in to the future, it can only ever be an opinion albeit a very soundly based one. But the weight of the economic opinions does suggest that the "promises" of the Yes campaign are highly unrealistic.

That's true Numanoid and appalling for you. Do you want to have to deal with such extremist tendencies in a climate of extreme financial instability though? (I'm careful not to use the word bankruptcy here.)

I grew up on a south London council estate. The places I grew up are unrecognisable - they are rebuilt, local people have been moved out to Thamesmead, Erith away from public transport. House prices are I reachable - my family is scattered now as we cannot afford it.
I'm not doubting there is poverty in London - my sister teaches in Peckham and her charges are living in poverty - but I see transport infrastructure projects like Crossrail, East london Line and jubilee line extensions, I see housing developments and - a boom. Where is this money flowing toward? Because it sure isn't trickling down.

Yes there are investment projects in Scotland but not even nearly the same scale.
But this is apparent what I should expect living in Scotland.

I don't know- maybe I am too uppity as a Londoner in Scotland. Perhaps I should just learn to know my place

Re austerity in London. The amount of people needing the services of foodbanks in the big shiny city is disgraceful. Ordinary people suffer there same as in Glasgow, Edinburgh etc. Thats one reason why I am voting No. I want to make life better for all British people if possible, not just the 'whae's like us" mob up here.

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There is also a new railway being built to the Borders, which will open next year and £600M being spent on railway improvements between Glasgow and Edinburgh, with the main line being electrified. It's possible that HS2 will come up here too (okay not for years).

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I was rather of the impression that 'beliefs' and 'opinions' on the part of the large financial institutions matter for a lot when forming the markets?

Essential reading for anyone becoming overwhelmed by nervous tension...

Numanoid - what did they say to you? (re abuse, deragtory comments). Must have been horrible.

And this

I'm really sorry to hear that numanoid. It's sorry not acceptable.

At the moment I feel like I'm still taking stuff in and learning from the posts on here.

livingzuid I really get where you are coming from. This thread has been great for me too. I can't discuss this at work and most of my friends are voting yes

*really not acceptable.

"That" London is not a Tory-voting city. A majority of its MPs are always Labour. I mention this because it is often described as a right wing place.

It also was the first (and just about the only) place to elect a Communist.

Hi Numanoid. Am interested in what proposals you've heard re privatisation of NHS?

This article sums it up well, I will try to find more though if it's not helpful. :) It is mainly about what's happening in England, but touches on how this will eventually affect the whole of the UK.

Unison on NHS cuts

The Government will also decide, if enough GPs back the move, whether to charge between £10 and £25 for a GP appointment. I think this would cause a lot of people to avoid going to the GP over something potentially serious as they couldn't afford it, or wouldn't want to potentially 'waste' money if it turned out to be nothing.

Do you not think it would be fairer to put more money into the NHS by scrapping universal free prescriptions, since exemptions we given to less well off anyway.

In my case, I'm not sure it would work. I don't qualify for any sort of benefits or income support. I'm not on the bread line, I'm comfortable, but this is in large part due to saving religiously and having that safety net "just in case". I've been to the GP more times than I can count this year and am awaiting yet another hospital appointment. If the maximum charge of £25 was applied to me, I'd have paid out well in excess of £100 for GP appointments already, excluding prescriptions and hospital appointments/treatments.

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I'm not going in to bat for Cameron's investment decisions but where would you expect the real money to come from to invest in Scottish projects? It simply wouldn't be there in an sScotland.

Surely the better way in all this is to work with others to address such regional issues and in Scotland as well as the rest of the UK?

Re No signs being vandalised. Loved the story of the Aberdeenshire farmer who had 3 signs smashed so painted the word NO on the side of his bull and turned it lose in the field with the words "Let's see them vandalise that!"

Less funny was the threat from Jim Sillars that businesses who supported the NO campaign would face "a day of reckoning" after a YES vote...

The Dundee waterfront regeneration is enormous. The amount going on in Glasgow is incredible, particularly as a result of the Games. If anything, it's disproportionate to the amount of people from what I can tell.

And I can't wait to see the Forth Rail Bridge visitor attraction! A bit giddy about that one.

Yes OneNight, they are. Those notes will have been read carefully by the investors and fund managers. To an extent they could easily become a self fulfilling prophecy as investors will now be expecting a recession and will move money and limit investment as a result.

I just meant that obviously they're not psychic

from the last thread:

Does anyone know roughly WHEN on Friday the result will be in?

Will we wake up to the news?

Will it be by teatime?

Will postal votes be in before or during Friday?

Will we know which areas have voted what?