Indyref 11. The home of good manners

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It shouldn't be NC but I fear that it is among many people. There is a perception abroad that Yes voters are less controlled and more given to spontaneous action. And that some of them consider that the end justifies the means.

I report this to you only as a perception.

mrsfatso if it's a yes there should be an enquiry? What if it is a no, that'll be okay with you?

After major indecision and soul searching, I'm a no. We should be walking into this 80% + yes, not going into it with so many people undecided and feeling inadequately briefed. I ended up wanting to vote yes, but I can't sign on with the info supplied. Thanks for all your posts guys, they have been far better than official sources.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned upthread (this is moving quickly and I've probably missed some posts), but I'm also bothered about the margin of the vote.

Surely, unless it's something like (at least) 60/40 or 55/45 one way or the other that's not enough to mak such a big decision on?

There's probably a much better way of phrasing that.

I guess we have to hope the people ticking us off at the polling booths have their wits about them so if ther is Mary Smith, Mary Smyth, Mary C Smith, Mari Smith etc at the same address they will smell a rat.

I just don't believe this will be a peaceful or straightforward process anymore. Too much mud slinging has gone on from all sides for it to suddenly stop whatever way the result goes. As a pp poster, not now (obviously the yes voters would refute that!) and not like this.

I am quite sure that they will be triple checking everything.

Accusations of cheating and demands for a recount or enquiry do no one any favours.

calm down with the snapping

You've got a cheek!

Telegraph extract for non subcribers

"Due to privacy laws, 16 and 17-year-olds are listed on a special “young voters’ register” which is not subject to the same scrutiny as the adult register – a public document.
This lack of scrutiny allows the undetected registration of children younger than 16 and therefore not entitled to vote.
Once combined on a single register, young voters and adult voters are indistinguishable from one another.

In Dundee, there were 3,649 young voters registered – 317 more than the actual number of 16 and 17-year-olds living in the city, according to 2014 population figures issued by the Scottish Government."

Cross posts. You said it better Angelina.

Nicola could say she was a No and I still couldn't bear to listen to her. Sorry petty and irrelevant but she sets my teeth on edge.

Surely, unless it's something like (at least) 60/40 or 55/45 one way or the other that's not enough to mak such a big decision on?

No. 50% plus 1 vote is enough. Big mistake IMO, too late now.

OneNight

Fair enough, I won't shoot the messenger!

But - how would such fraud be enacted? Postal votes are I assume collated to check that there are no duplicates, and people can't go into a polling booth twice. I'm acting as a polling agent for Yes on the day and I assume I will have an "opposite number" at each booth I check out. Maybe I'm being naive but there are checks in place, and I think the Electoral Commission are fairly uncorruptable...

I refer you to my post above grandtheft. There is a perception that polling officers may be more than usually emotionally involved with the voting and may be given to spontaneous action. As I said it's only a perception but one I think that could cause trouble in the event of a close vote.

Accusations of cheating and demands for a recount or enquiry do no one any favours.

Blimey I know . No one wants to go through this again.

Kezia Dugdale team. A Labour star.

I think Scots are perfectly capable of running a fair referendum.

The person I spoke to had, I think, moved house a lot (hostels in fact) but had registered to vote in every place and when he had registered in new places they hadn't xrefd. I'm guessing he also had mail forwarding or something but somehow had multiples. Also heard of people with multiple postal votes. I seriously hope it's not true. Last thing we need is issues with irregularities.

annie yep! she'll go far

A yes vote could have needed a larger majority though, couldn't it. Given we are changing a status quo forever, and most of us didn't ask for this referendum. And most material questions remain unanswered....

What I'm so surprised about is that half the country is happy to vote yes with no certainty on anything.

Agree with you phaedra NS is not at all likeable. She shouts over people and sneers too much.

Rita you have done a lot of snapping yourself. You'd already made your views on "The Torygraph" clear.

I don't know why you're asking me about 7 cards. I didn't post that.

Kezia. She's great. I love the way she tells you what she thinks should happen. That society should be just and fair and we should all work together. Even when it is not Labour policy.

And you think : well that's great Kexia but how on earth are you going to achieve this when none of the political parties support it?

I like Nicola. I didn't used to, but now I do.

Flippinada Surely, unless it's something like (at least) 60/40 or 55/45 one way or the other that's not enough to mak such a big decision on?

I've mentioned a few times that it seems strange that to change a company's constitution, you need a special majority of 75% in favour, but only an ordinary majority of 50% to change our country's.

It seems a recipe for civil unrest and a lot of unhappy, aggrieved people.

I'm honestly beginning to wonder if theres a certain sector in politics who stand to gain a lot from independence, or who are in the "in crowd" and have been promised favours or something. To me and people like me, in my forties, it probably means I will spend the years leading up to my retirement losing much of the value of the home I worked for, or worrying about it, living in a country I can't afford to leave. DH has an interview in two weeks time in Belgium, as he is pretty certain he will lose his job as it is dependent on funding from a UK body. But how will we sell our house, other than at a massive loss?

Most people surely must be facing up to these questions, unless they feel they will somehow gain.