Indyref 11. The home of good manners

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Rita, it's a very different scenario if you don't me saying.

If it's a 'no' you are left with what you already have and know, but with considerably more political leverage in terms of devolved powers if the yesses vote in significant numbers, which it's safe to assure that they will.

For those who don't want independence and want to remain a part of the UK they are going to be living in a very different Scotland, and one they never wanted, nor asked for, and actively voted against. Half of of the Scottish electorate are going to feel disenfranchised.

WhatWouldFreddieDo that is a very good post :)

thank you livingzuid - I may bow out on that, as funnily enough I have to work to put food on the table tomorrow

thebogqueen what is your definition of Status Quo? I have heard a lot of Yes voters say this and I can't really see what the big deal is to be honest. Interested to hear your perspective.

I'm no misogynist, drama kings, if you will.

stat Ah fair enough Chelsy. Personally I did similar calcs but didn't think it was likely enough to outweigh the problems associated with moving. Plus I don't want to! Plus DHs job isn't easily transferrable, it would be a starting again situation for him. I hope your DH is doing better.

My instincts are telling me that the investor's in DH's companies will refuse to finance it further in their next tranche, and use the uncertainty over Scotland's future fiscal regime as the reason, whatever way the vote goes. Fortunately he is in a very in demand field and will probably find a better paid, if not equivalent job, abroad. Ironically, its a field they cry out for with his experience in Scotland, but we don't feel he is especially well remunerated for it anyway, so I'd be lieing if I said we hadn't seriously considered moving away before. All this socialist rhetoric about doing away with money and massive personal taxation is pretty off putting too. Its already pretty expensive to live here without all that. We already pay so much in tax.

Phaedra I am beginning to wonder if young people are actually more aware of whats going on in the world at large and less likely to fall for the old fashioned socialist worker's party rhetoric than in the past. That's one hopeful thing anyway...although perhaps they are all a bit more materialistic than our generation were!

Basketzatdawn have a look at my post upthread, it has an extract from the story. It's not that 16-17 year olds are more likelyto commit fraud, it's that by having 16 and 17 years olds eligible to vote there was a section of the electorate who didn't have as thorough checks and so it looks like some people have been registering younger children etc as being 16-17.

If we have a yes vote we can't then go backwards and say actually we've changed our minds, if things don't work out.

With a no vote, there's always the option to do it later. And given we've had 3 referendums in the last 35 years it's not unfeasible that there could be another one in the near future.

temporaryusername that's my dream as of this week!

Nothing stays the same. There is no status quo option.

And no guarantee of any more devolved powers.

We've been here before remember?

Voting no is a risk I'm not willing to take.

Yes, I should be working too. I'm going to switch off now. Goodnight all.

Goodnight!

Drama queens?! Oh do fuck off

I have said for years that DH's job will move. I am terrified. I would be so happy to say that nothing will change, but it will. What's the fucking point of independence if nothing changes anyway?!

TeamScotland

That remark seemed to illustrate a lack of concern for those who may not wish to vote in the way you wish. Many people on this and previous threads have expressed concern about the ability or intention of some campaigners voters to work with others towards a better Scotland, whatever the vote.

Perhaps you didn't mean to sound quite so dismissive?

It's extremely easy to get a postal vote. I have one for my son as he will not be here on the 18th. I don't know of course what checks they did but it took very little time for them to confirm the appointment.

He is fortunately also a No.

I'm much more terrified of what will happen after a no vote. Since 2008 we've had austerity measures and we are being promised more.

Supermarkets have said prices will rise if it is yes. Have they said they won't if it's a no?

it's not unfeasible that there could be another one in the near future

The only way if it's No that there will not be another one is if the SNP is not in power. If they are out it will be raised again as soon as they hold power again.

It's not a lack of concern to think thatppeople are jumping the gun and worrying about something that might not happen. Anyone got it in writing that their jobs vanish on Friday?

That response is very revealing. Thank you.

Nope, not a drama queen. Just a realist/pragmatist.

Yes Scotland and Salmond have been down on record saying they won't push for another referendum for at least a generation (I think Salmond clarified this quite recently to mean 18-20 years). I think they'd be crucified if they tried to renege on that. They've stated it too firmly too many times.

There's no reason for supermarket prices to go up in the event of a no vote.

A yes vote takes away the economies of scale which lower prices, creates a smaller economy more susceptible to global fluctuations, and will create a recession.

The snp that are in a majority governmentin a parliament set up to make that incredibly difficult? Don't you realise they got there because so many people wanted this question answered?

TeamScotland that is nasty and uncalled for. These are real people, with real fears for what will happen to their jobs, marriages, homes & futures should we end up with a 'yes' majority. How nasty to be so dismissive.

I won't feel welcome in the event of a "Yes" or a narrow "No" and we will, eventually, leave in both cases. The people I care about - friends, neighbours, colleagues, have voted against a union about which I am passionate. The anti-English rhetoric from some makes me feel unwelcome. I have to hide who I am, how I feel, what I vote. I was brought up a conservative voter, thought it through and still tend that way. I believe, and always have done in society's responsibility to look after those in need, but also the individual's responsibility to work hard for themselves and their families.

But, you can't be a conservative in Scotland. It is not allowed. It is tough being a "No" voter because your arguments are always about caution, about the economy, about mortgages and the EU, which sound dull and uninspiring alongside words like "freedom" and "fairness"

The yes vote is an attack on me. It attacks conservatives, the English, the cautious, the thoughtful and those who like things the way they are.

We will seek a quiet village in England, after living here for 20 years, married to a Scot, Scottish children. We will be made welcome there. I will come out as a conservative.

I am also very angry that Salmond was allowed a question that gave him the word "Yes". Why not, "Should Scotland remain in the Union" ? Because that would have given the Unionists the positive case. And Salmond likes to take the language, set the agenda. He is an absolute master at getting debates on his terms. I doubt history will look kindly on him. Certainly, we are upset, angry and sad. My DH feels his saltire has been stolen from him.

However we wake up on Friday, there will be an hangover that lasts years and years and we want no part of it.