Indyref 10. The Marathon Continues..

[WildThong]

All welcome

And with that we're back to collective cries of how awful it all is and yes campaigners have divided the country.

Where have I said that yes campaigners have divided the country... Please don't infer what isn't there.

Most of the comments have been about division, not specifically attributing the blame to the Yes campaign.

EarthWindFire I don't want to go. I love it where we are. I am in ill health and disabled. I don't want the upheaval. However most of all I don't want Scotland to end up divided. I really dread what the future will bring. Do people honestly think that come Friday, no matter what the result people will just shake hands and get on with it, because I don't think they will.

No, I think this will set the scene for years to come in a certain element of Scots society, who will refuse to believe, if there is a No vote, that it is because the majority wanted it. They will continue to believe it is due to media bias, or people "not understanding" or whatever.

I sincerely hope that doesn't lead to any kind of violence and mainly restricts itself to FB and peaceful protests that are not too disruptive to other people. I already feel this debate has taken up far too much of my time, and I'm becoming undisciplined by spending too much time on it. I should be working right now for a couple of hours, to prepare for tomorrow, instead of posting on an internet site. I wouldn't like to imagine how its affecting other people's performances in their jobs. I hope I've not let it affect mine.

I keep thinking about the INEOS debacle at Grangemouth - it was the same kind of thinking that nearly led to a loss of an entire industry in Scotland. It was actually about the union signing up people to its membership without their permission, and a union official using his working time to do union activities, not his job. And then it snowballed from there.

lovely you are starting to get a victim complex. And by the very nature of the referendum, it is actually the Yes side that is dividing the country.
If you feel there is no debate to be had here, maybe you can find it elsewhere?

Corey -my comment was not aimed at you, I do understand what you were saying. This thread moves so fast it is easy to get things out of context.

Saw this Mr Salmond accused Mr Robinson of "heckling" him at a press conference in Edinburgh for international journalists on the BBC report.

Pot, kettle, black anyone.

Agree Chelsy - I have ignored the house, my DS, (who si 13 so happy to be ignored), and my work. Cannot leave this alone.

Can't really believe it is happening I suppose

Can I just ask Scottish posters a couple of questions question and please don't shoot me down in flames for asking.

it might seem disingenuous but I can assure you it's not, and would appreciate hearing your views on the comparative support for each side of the independence argument.

Opinion polls suggest it's very, very close - marginal leads for the yes vote, then another suggesting marginal leads for the no vote - with a fair sized proportion undecided. In your view is it really as close as the polls appear to indicate?

It's just that from an outside perspective (and I can only speak personally from what I have seen, heard and read) that comprises British media, international media, internet forums, blogs and so on - it seems far more are 'Yes' voters than otherwise. The impression is of overwhelming support for independence. Or is it that, as others have suggested in this thread, that it it simply that yes supporters are more visible and vocal.

Are there those who think the Nos might still prevail and that it is by no means a done deal?

And what about those 'undecided' voters - polls suggest somewhere between 9 & 11% - how significant are they? Are you still undecided - do you know others who are undecided?

Thanks.

I would say I'm very confident and outspoken, but I don't tend to participate in online polls and I have better things to do with my time than wave "no" signs around in demonstrations. I'm a No. Its a good job I'm like that, because I would feel intimidated into expressing my views. I wouldn't put a No sticker on my car or window, for example, or cycle around with a No written on my back, for fear of reprisals.

I'm the one with the victim complex? Have you read the posts?

The net fact snp were voted in shows that there's been an appetite for this for a long time. It's been a question that has needed answered.

I'm shit scared of what lies ahead as part of the UK, really worried.

Fontella, family 100% no and that includes extended family too, with 2 school age voters. Friends who have discussed issue about 80% no. None of this group are at all vocal about their preferences.

DH's work colleagues (higher ed.) don't actually talk about it from a personal position although is discussed extensively regarding effect on universities/research funding etc, so I suspect quite a few no's.

My work colleagues are also skirting round the issue, but there are 2 definite Yes voters. I have found yes voters to be far more vocal than no voters.

I think No voters are generally quieter about it. I know a huge number of no voters - most of them would not contemplate taking to the streets, wearing a badge etc. Most don't post about their vote on social media. The few Yes voters I know are very much more vocal - they're out protesting, post constantly etc. I know that's just anecdotal though.

"Ok maybe I'm reading it wrong but the guardian journo seems to be saying that actually NR was right in what he said, AS did refuse to answer his question, or part of it."

Shite, that isn't what happened! Watch the Youtube video on both of them talking, where there is no edited parts of the conference and you'll see a very different version to what was broadcast on the BBC.

Irn I'm wondering if it's some kind of misunderstanding, if AS gave a long wordy answer without actually answering the question. Politicians (all of them) have a talent for that.

No bother Apple

Fontella, completely fair questions. Tbh, I don't have the knowledge of how polls work to know if they really are as close as they seem.

I think it will be a No vote. As others have said, No voters don't seem to be as vocal on their intentions as Yes voters. In part (don't shoot me, anyone ), I think this is due to the BT campaign being utter alienating shit which hasn't spoken to voters with socialist beliefs. Whatever my intentions to vote now, I have a lot of respect for the grassroots Yes campaigners, especially the Greens, because the enthusiasm and creativity among people I know on the Yes side has been astounding.

It is utterly utterly shocking what is going on at the moment with the media. I'm disgusted by it all, especially the BBC.

Thanks for highlighting the clips there TheBogQueen.

But WildThong even if he gave a long winded answer, it was wrong for the BBC to claim there was 'no response from AS'. Which was not the case at all!!

It's not a 'misunderstanding' sorry, I'm not buying it WildThong. Not in these days just before a referendum.

And then there's Treasury email fiasco too...

Have watched it. I stand corrected. Apologies

He answers the question. It's the job of the journalist to accurately reflect what the answer was - even if he has to paraphrase as a voice over and add a small clip.

The bbc sets such great store by it's impartiality - this is shocking.

I don't think he answered the question though, rather he deflected onto something else. But the way it was reported was misleading

I predict >60% Yes.

Irnbru, have just watched both clips. He didn't actually answer Nick Robinson's question at all. Nick Robinson asked why voters should trust him rather than the bank bosses in charge of biliions of pounds. salmond then proceeded to quote from various bank releases and spent more than half his answer berating the Beeb for reporting the treasury releasing market sensitive information. He didn't answer the question. He did a lot of politician speak.

Sorry, also meant to add that if this is what all the protesting regarding BBC bias is about, I despair.

Cambiodenombre - I agree exactly. It was misleading reporting but he talked about what he thought the RBS statement meant and how the BBC were involved in the leak rather than why people should believe him. So no, he didn't answer the question.

However the intent behind the question was to make the point that the business leaders were against a YES vote and his job was to challenge that assertion - so that's what he did. It could be read both ways.