Indyref 9

[IrnBruTheNoo]

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rose don't you realise yet that social justice, equality and an end to poverty isn't applicable for everyone else, just us Scots!

Bleurch, I'm smelling it again....

ThePLatypus. At the moment Scotland doesn't control the currency on it's own but is taken in to account - e.g. they consider statistics for the whole country and the impact on the oil industry.

Additionally, Mark Carney has highlighted that Scotland would need vast reserves to support a sterlingization approach. Reserves which we do not have and would have to be raised by running a budgetary surplus. He didn't commit to absolute values but commentary seems to suggest it would need to be at least 25% GDP, which would be somewhere around £32bn. It could be more.

Santana - if we (as you agree) have no control over the pound just now, how would it be disastrous?

Because we are part of the UK and decisions are taken with us in mind. An independent Scotland would not need to be considered at all.

The deluge of something certainly started when you appeared. Just a coincidence I'm sure.

'deluge of negativity' or 'different opinion to yours'?

I mean come the eff on, there's you standing there in a suit and I saw you driving in with your BMW ranting about how hard done by you are by Westminster. Grow up!

Totally.

Blaming 'them' is so much easier than going through tough times. These are tough times all over rUK and Europe.

Oh, hilarious.

'deluge of negativity' or 'realistic'?

If you look you'll see a veritable deluge of yes hope and optimism too.

rose - because. there are children in Scotland living in poverty, and that's not right, especially when they are talkin about spending 40 billion replacing trident

I do believe 75% of the people who voted in the European Elections, those who bothered to show up that is, didn't vote UKIP. So it's hardy in droves is it? Farage has no business being anywhere, but it's hardly a legitimate reason to vote yes because of concerns over the EU. The UK is not about to depart from Europe any time soon, regardless of the flannel that is in the papers. It makes no economical or political sense to do so. Cameron has failed at many things, this referendum included, but that is something we won't see.

Living-that was a very heartfelt post. I feel very similar as somebody who was born in Scotland and lived there for 30 years before moving to the SE.
Although I'm still undecided. (Not that I can vote !!!)
From a head point of view a yes vote is just plain wrong -economic suicide, it seems. Even Asda won't be going there - but I just feel, a part of me anyway, that we are a strong race of people who can and will rise to the challenge ! Alex salmond almost has nothing to do with it for me
I was chatting to a welsh colleague today and he reckoned the turning up of Cameron, clegg and the other one the other day would have pushed him over the edge to the yes side, just because for two years they didn't give a toss and suddenly after a poll showing a possible yes victory they were all up north as if they cared. Really !!

rose - because. there are children in Scotland living in poverty, and that's not right, especially when they are talkin about spending 40 billion replacing trident

Poverty isn't a Scottish only phenomenon you know.

Children in poverty won't be helped by throwing the economy into chaos, or by spending billions setting up a new state.

being paranoid now,but are you talking about me WildThong? I've never commented on this debate till tonight

platypus my apologies for my earlier harsh post. It very obviously touched a nerve and you are not supposed to bear the brunt of that! I just think there is optimism and then there is the reality that our jobs are on the line. It's not lack of faith in Scotland at all, but a practical reality of needing to keep earning which would not be possible for me anyway in the face of a yes vote, and I think many others.

the thing is,things are pretty bad at the moment. Independence would give us a chance to make a real change.

To be honest, I'm doing pretty well at the moment, but it's not just about me. I want a better society for my kids. I'm not affected by the bedroom tax etc but it goes against fairness, and I believe in a fair society. I personally may well be worse off,but I'm a socialist at heart and I genuinely think Scotland will be a fairer society after independence

he reckoned the turning up of Cameron, clegg and the other one the other day would have pushed him over the edge to the yes side, just because for two years they didn't give a toss and suddenly after a poll showing a possible yes victory they were all up north as if they cared. Really !!

hehehe funnily enough this is what a colleague said today as well!

The thing is, they were dammed if they did and damned if they didn't. People were complaining that they had left it all to Darling which is understandable to leave it to a Scottish Labour representative because a Conservative presence is not going to help the cause at all. So then when they did come up, everyone complained that they should have come sooner. Which is quite entertaining if I wasn't so concerned about the future. Goes to show how disenfranchised things have become. But I don't think that's unique to Scotland either. When Cameron appeared near my home town after the railway flooding in the Westcountry people were mystified as to his purpose in being there!

That's all just fluffy pie in the sky. If you think things are pretty bad at the moment why would you want it to go to absolute shit?

It would be good to find a really easy to understand definition of currency union.

I'd like to be able to explain it in simple terms.

You can't make the sort of cuts that will need to be made without hurting the poorest. They are inevitable the most impacted by a reduction in public sector spending.

I don't want it to go to absolute shut! I want a chance to make a real change!

livingzuid a lot of people are worried and it's understandable. There is a lot at stake and I'm worried about it too. I'm voting no. According to the polls, about half of people agree with us. Try not to feel so isolated.

It's not your fault that the political situation here was a bit different to how you thought it was when you moved. Congratulations on your new baby. You made some great points in your post. I don't want to be patronising, because I know you need an outlet for what your thinking is around the referendum, but if it's making you anxious, do take a break from the debates etc. Your wellbeing is important for you and your family, and this situation is largely out of our control - we can decide how we will vote individually, and we can try and persuade others we talk to/leaflet/etc, but mostly, we just have to wait for the result and deal with it. And you've moved country, more than once by the sounds of it so you are maybe more able to deal with things if you do decide to move than many people would be.

Like I said, I don't want to patronise someone who is well informed, thoughtful and looking after her family so well - its just I care about how this is effecting you and your family too.

Yes living some would say they were damned whatever ..... But it does smack if a sudden moment of clarity when our esteemed leaders suddenly thought oh wait. Maybe they will vote yes. Oops should have done something sooner.
And that is really disappointing to be honest.
Anyway who knows what will happen now. .......

Livingzuid, did I read it right that you only moved back to Scotland a month ago, and now you're freaked about the possible future if there's a Yes vote next week? Did you do no basic research before uprooting your family?

I don't want to seem unsympathetic, and can see you're distressed, but this has been on the agenda since May 2011, with the date agreed, what, 18 months or more ago?