To not understand why people hate David Cameron and the Conservative Party?

[SuperWifeANDMum]

Just that really.

I am a Conservative voter.

PM Cameron has disappointed me in some ways such as his lax approach to curbing immigration, deporting foreign criminals and addressing the alarming benefit culture but he has implemented a fair few positive changes.

For example:

Reducing our Debt.
Introducing Bedroom Tax.
Cutting corporation tax.
Frozen Council Tax.

Of you vote labour, why?

I am deeply concerned at the thought of another Labour government next election.

They get the best from the education system because they have the money for tutors or to buy homes in the right places

I don't think that's fair. Schools in deprived ares get far more state money than schools in affluent areas through the pupil premium, which can be worth a fortune. I think it's right that the money goes where it's most needed, but I don't think it's fair or accurate to say that 'the rich' get the best from the state education system.

People who really are rich pay for private school for their own children and for state schools through their higher taxes.

we have to move out of a house with a tiny room adapted for disabilities yet got a hefty bedroom tax to pay just cos its upstairs.

the stress and illness its caused me and DC moving for the most stupid reason.

don't dare tell me the bedroom tax is fair for disabled people.

and council tax when I CANT work because of disabilities and DC needs lifelong care (I cant work yet have to be a fulltime carer) .

they take from the poor and vulnerable to line their own pockets.

and then have the fuck to say 'we're all in this together'. FFS.

My mother was a single parent (through no fault of her own) under Thatcher.

I work in the NHS.

I will NEVER vote Tory for these 2 reasons alone.

And yes, OP I own my own home, live in London and pay the higher rate of tax. But it's not just about me me me, it's about the kind of country I want my children to grow up in and the values about others that I want them to hold. That's what makes me a socialist and not a conservative.

Service from the NHS that my family has received has been no different from what it was before the condems took over

Bless you, you are seeing the swan and missing the frantic paddling underneath. Staff want to give the best care they can, but ever decreasing budgets make it harder to do that. "Efficiency" has come to mean "we are making your budget smaller and we are going to tell you what you can do". Being unable to treat patients in the way you were trained to because there isn't the money to do what you know needs to be done, is demoralising. For those working in the system it is crumbling round their ears.

If you haven't noticed the difference yet, enjoy, because you will soon enough.

Schools in deprived ares get far more state money than schools in affluent areas through the pupil premium, which can be worth a fortune.

Not necessarily true. I live in an area that is a strange mixture of deeply deprived and affluent, and the pupil premium is far less than other areas.

I am not naming it because there is a thread elsewhere extolling the virtues of the many independent schools in the area, and pointing out how all the local state schools are too awful to even contemplate. My dd's school was described as dire, by someone who doesn't use it!

This is becoming a horribly divided country full of snobbery, misinformation and an "I'm alright jack" attitude.

I am ashamed to say when I was first old enough to vote I voted for Thatcher, as I though having a female PM would be a great thing for women.

Service from the NHS that my family has received has been no different from what it was before the condems took over
Really? I have lost my two hours a week respite care. I have lost the carers group I managed to attend once a month. Dh no longer has the physiotherapy that kept him more or less on his feet. Dd no longer gets a wheelchair on the nhs, at least not one suited to her needs.

The reason I will not vote Tory is that they only give a shit about the top 1% of the country's earners. And I say this as someone fortunate enough to be in a high income household.

Fubsy, what I meant was that the service we got under labour was already crap enough that we took out a loan to pay privately for what we needed. I appreciate that the system is drastically underfunded now, but it wasn't exactly great then either.

I was working in a physio department with many wheelchair users under the last government, and physio services were overstretched menaing that people didn't get the amount of physio they desperately needed, even when it made the difference of being able to walk or being forced into a wheelchair almost constantly. I saw more than a few people wait months for chairs that were supposed to be specially made for the individual, which when they turned up didn't meet their needs, and in some cases made their symptoms worse.

That's my point really. I feel this stuff is so vitally important, that even though I'm not a natural labour supporter I'd vote for them anyway if they got those things right, or even close to right. But my experience was that they didn't.

It always makes me chuckle when Tory s bang on about Labour leaving the country in economic ruin. The fact that there was aGLOBAL financial crisis is ignored, did Labour manager to bring the whole world to an economic stand still? Or rather do we live in an age of boom and bust?
Perhaps the latter.
I used to vote Labour, but now vote green. I can't stand how each new government spends a shite load of cash making their mark, while not putting in any long term strategies that could actually benefit the country as that doesn't win votes.
I think a cross party coalition where politicians had to decide sensiblly what was best for the country with durable policies would be soo much better than a room of mostly white, privately educated make career politicians bickering and cocktail swinging while trying to force feed us their fetid bullshit about how much theycare and all the other bollocks they think will make us vote for them.

I'm not a Tory but I don't despise Cameron the way I despise Salmond.

TARDIS I am so fucked off on your behalf. That has no value to you but I hope the OP reads it.

Hi Darktyres Just googled the word mysogymy as I've never heard of it before. and you're certainly not wrong at you.

WooWooOwl now you're talking my language! I know first hand what you're describing.

The rot has been setting in for years - I certainly didn't notice much improvement when Labour came in came in last - but it has accelerated beyond anything I've ever seen recently.

Thanks Loiusteeth DawnDonnas nanother one that's been fecked up by the tories too,(I remember your posts Dawn.

and anyone else with disabilities/person with disabilities.

youd think caos he had a disabled child hed be more understanding but noooooooooo.

I don't think ive ever despised (and I don't use that term lightly, theres very few people id say that about) anyone as much as him and his smug oily arrogant face.

and they keep blaming the last government yet theyre not making any attempt to fix anything, theyre all talk no action except for their own gains.

I just cannot agree with people claiming benefits from the state and living in a large council house rent free when there is plenty of people on the wait lists who actually need the room.

Ok OP so where do you suggest all these people go? Serious question. There arent enough 1 bedroom houses and if they go to a private rent housing benefit will probably increase, kind of defeats the purpose. The streets?

Tinkerbelle she doesn't give a flying fuck where people go or that kids are hungry.
I hope karma is watching and listening to her.
Take heed of the saying very very carefully "Superwifeandmum" Be nice to those on your way because there's a very good chance you'll meet them on your way back down.
Think of white Dee she was a single mum on benefits now she's a celebrity!!!!

ATOS

There's a word for you.

I will be voting Green, btw; Labour are every bit as bad as the Tories. I come from a very 'good' family, staunch Tory voters, was brought up that they were the only choice. Fuck that.

I will never vote tory.

I am from a long line of socialist voters.Its in my blood.
Since there is no socialist party any more, there is no conflict with my green vote.

OP is SERIOUSLY misguided however:
Bankers alone did not cause the crash - it was a perfect storm of the UK catching a horrible case of 'flu from America's sneeze due in no small part to a massive de-regulation of the city overseen by a LABOUR government (that I and millions of others voted for, sorry bout that), a worldwide downturn and mass affluenza brought about the 1997 slogan of "things can only get better", easy credit, bla bla bla.
There was plenty of privatisation going on under the Blair/Brown administration too.

However, they did have a better public spending policy.

The only analogy that I can readily think of is imagine going to the same restaurant on one day and the portion size is decent (Labour); then going the following day, paying the same money and getting half the amount of food (ConDems).You wouldn't go back, right? Except it's the only place in town and the only place to eat for the next five years.

The NHS must must must stop being used as a political football - but how that happens I have no idea.

In the OP's defence it is a bit daft to heap hate and bile on individual politicians - no sane decent person actually wants to be a politican because it demands a level of ego and self righteousness that only those with no self-awareness and thus no real empathy could possess.

You think Miliband is a man of the people? Don't make me larf. He grew up in one of the poshest streets in North London and now resides in a house worth 4mil+. When push comes to shove it's just empty rhetoric from a man who shafted his own brother.

They're all a bunch of self serving c**ts to be honest.

Ghost I don't give a 'flying fuck' because I vote Conservative? Don't be so ridiculous. You don't know me yet you cast aspersions on my character. Also you don't need to use explicit language to get your point across, I have noticed all of your posts are very offensive.

Not once did I say I didn't care about people who are genuinely suffering. Please direct me to my post if I did.

Tardis I am sorry to hear that you have to move from your home. I always thought that if someone in the household had a disability you were allowed an extra bedroom?

After reading some of the posts on this thread in regards to how our most vulnerable people in society are treated I am shocked and also embarrassed I have been so very naive.

I would like to see the current government reevaluate our current benefit system and make it fairer to the people that need it most while of course ensuring that it is not open to abuse.

I genuinely had no idea how aggressive the process is to get people back to work if they have previously been signed off sick with either mental health or a disability. It's disgusting.

I won't ever vote labour however I think if conservative don't make some changes to protect our most vulnerable people I will not vote for them next election.

Thanks again to all who have posted informative posts.

the bedroom tax is popular with people like the OP because "it makes sense". Frankly, i agree with the crass sentiment in it. it's been a shambles however. you shouldn't be able to fine people for an extra bedroom if they have nowhere to go.

I should say, as a foreigner, I am astounded at how many people are supported by the state here. In america, very few people comparatively would have their rent subsidized, but here the numbers are astronomical. that suggests to me that the housing system is broken. planning is too strict and housing not plentiful enough.

DWP is the biggest dept, but the cons won't fix that because as mentioned above the biggest part of DWP is pensions. that's their base and old people actually vote.

Personally I am always that folk get their knickers in a twist about "benefit fraud" when the elephant in the room as far as benefits go is the mahoosive pension bill. It dwarfs any serious argument about why bedroom tax could ever be considered a good idea or why people shouldn't have six kids etc.

It's Daily Heil catnip though and gives Tory voters their only way of defending their voting choice.

I make no apologies for standing up for the underdog. I will not stand down trodden people being kicked when they're down. Simple as that. I wouldn't say all my posts were offensive either.
Also plenty of others seemed to have had a pop and quite right too, yet for some reason you've singled me out.

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