To not understand why people hate David Cameron and the Conservative Party?

[SuperWifeANDMum]

Just that really.

I am a Conservative voter.

PM Cameron has disappointed me in some ways such as his lax approach to curbing immigration, deporting foreign criminals and addressing the alarming benefit culture but he has implemented a fair few positive changes.

For example:

Reducing our Debt.
Introducing Bedroom Tax.
Cutting corporation tax.
Frozen Council Tax.

Of you vote labour, why?

I am deeply concerned at the thought of another Labour government next election.

the recent report revealing half a million problem families who cost the country £30billion a year was a bit of an eye opener I have to say.

I hate all this 'labour left the country on its knees' shit.
There was a banking crash.

labour was in power for 10 years before the crash. the crash wasn't inevitable. countries that had much stricter banking regulations didn't have a crash. Where was labour then?

oh sorry, I forgot. They were busy waging an expensive war, backing america.

I'm assuming this post is a joke but, the reason i dislike Cameron is that he comes from an extremely wealthy family, went straight from university to conservative party HQ, to being an M.P, to being P.M.

He has absolutely no understanding of how ordinary people live their lives and how life is a real struggle for some people. This is why he comes up with idiotic policies like the bedroom tax, where people are forced to leave their home they might have lived in for twenty years just because their children have grown up.

It's estimated that the bedroom tax could save a couple of hundred million but if we scrapped Trident we could save £60 billion+

We won't really own the trident missiles, we're effectively leasing them from the U.S, the Americans own the satellites, the targeting systems, the software etc. We couldn't use those missiles without their co-operation, or their say so. So what's the point of them? They make Cameron feel important while he see's another little old lady be thrown out of her home because she can't afford the bedroom tax. He's a twat.

OP
I'd put it down to the sense of entitlement that people like Cameron have. The educational background of our current government is worth examining.
The Tory hatred of Trade Unions raises a few questions, a good starting point is the way Thatcher used the police to batter the miners.
A better question is "Why do intelligent working class people even consider voting Tory". That one really baffles me.

Personally I am always ? that folk get their knickers in a twist about "benefit fraud" when the elephant in the room as far as benefits go is the mahoosive pension

pension bill is massive.

fraud is the problem. it's too many people reliant on the govt. you can except that fraud is relatively rare, but think that if 2 million adults get welfare, something is amiss.

writtenguarantee, London is the international centre of banking, over 500 banks have offices in London, the banking and finance sector in London dwarfs Frankfurt and Paris, it's only second to New York. That is why other countries weren't affected as much by the crash, rather than gambling on the markets the Germans prefer to make things people actually want to buy. We don't do that anymore, Thatcher decided manufacturing was old fashioned and destroyed it. If you think other countries were unaffected by the credit crunch and banking bail-outs your deluded.

The thing about the very small minority of people who abuse the benefits system is: would you want to be them? When 'The Scheme' was on, there were people who thought 'useless scrounging bastards', and those who thought 'there but for the grace of God ... thank goodness that's not me.'

I am from a long line of socialist voters.Its in my blood.

That's the kind of attitude that I don't understand. Are you not your own person? Do you not have your own mind, your own beliefs?
It's like some have been brainwashed. "All my family for the last eleventy million years have all voted Labour/Conservative/Monster Raving Loony who-ever.
So I have to TOO!

writtenguarantee I don't doubt there is fraud and that there is a section of society - a very small section - that is raised and goes on to raise the next generation on benefits, but I think these people become the ideological scapegoats that fuel the fire of the self righteous I'm alright Jack mentality.

Governments love a scapegoat because it deflects from their inability to address socio-economic problems that will never be fixed without a massive systemic and ideological revolution. Every current -ism isn't fit for purpose; we are simply using band aids for a patient that requires open heart surgery. And so it's just easier to blame somebody else.

I actually don't think the OP is heartless - they've just bought into a well ingrained propaganda that has had generations to embed itself into the national psyche.

we have to move out of a house with a tiny room adapted for disabilities yet got a hefty bedroom tax to pay just cos its upstairs

Anyone There was a vote in Parliament during the week calling for amendments to the bill - If there are no homes available to move to no BT will be charged and disabled people are not to be affected bi it either.

Speak to your local MP - if you can hang in there for a bit longer you might not have to move.

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If they want to reduce the benefit bill they should build council houses stop the rtb and stop selling off council flats to btl landlords.

They also need to get businesses to pay decent salaries so there would be no need for WTC and HB.

Ghost the difference is other posters are constructive. You on the other hand spew vitriol.

LadyRabbit I would rather pay more tax to protect pensions.

Nancy66 Can you direct me to this report please?

lurker I disagree completely with this council house for life attitude if you claim benefits and do not add to the economy or pay taxes. Why should people live in larger houses than they need at the expense of the state? People who are genuinely disabled should of course be exempt.

I would rather we kept trident.

redbinneo the educational background is worth examining? Why? my husband attended school with GO and DC. He had a brilliant education.

Of course the way miners were treated was despicable.

I don't doubt there is fraud and that there is a section of society

i meant to say fraud ISN'T the problem. the system is the problem.

are council flats being sold to private landlords?

Superwife - here:

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Society/article1447828.ece

www.theguardian.com/money/2014/aug/18/david-cameron-family-policy-500000-troubled-families

Thank you Nancy

Biggest single sector of UK society in receipt of state "handouts"?

Pensioners.

Second biggest?

People in employment in receipt of in-work/top-up benefits (this often includes DLA, by the way). Only needed because the gap between housing costs and a living wage is ever-widening.

The number of people living entirely dependent on benefits is a tiny minority of the whole, and the people fraudulently doing so even tinier still, but they are being held up by the ConDems as the poster children for all benefit claimants and used as justification to dismantle the entire welfare state. The media - sections of it, anyway - are colluding in this and otherwise-intelligent people are falling for it.

Closing one or two of the business tax avoidance loopholes and scrapping Trident would recoup many, many more times the savings of the so-called welfare reforms. Economics experts have demonstrated this repeatedky, which makes it hard to come to any conclusion other than the welfare changes are driven by an ideological belief that the poor, vulnerable, disabled and disadvantaged are somehow "other", somehow "lesser" and are therefore fair game.

And no, I don't think things will improve under the current Tory-lite Labour party, which is why I will be voting Green as they seem to be one of the very few parties left with any remnant of a social conscience.

writtenguarantee, London is the international centre of banking, over 500 banks have offices in London, the banking and finance sector in London dwarfs Frankfurt and Paris, it's only second to New York. That is why other countries weren't affected as much by the crash, rather than gambling on the markets the Germans prefer to make things people actually want to buy. We don't do that anymore, Thatcher decided manufacturing was old fashioned and destroyed it. If you think other countries were unaffected by the credit crunch and banking bail-outs your deluded.

that's the problem. we have too many eggs in the banking basket, and labour did nothing to help that despite being in power for 10 years before the crisis.

other countries were affected, but not like britain and america. Canada didn't have a single bank bailout, despite having an economy tightly knit with america's. in fact, all banks were profitable throughout the crisis.

"lurker I disagree completely with this council house for life attitude if you claim benefits and do not add to the economy or pay taxes. Why should people live in larger houses than they need at the expense of the state? People who are genuinely disabled should of course be exempt."

Housing benefit is not an out of work benefit, people work and also receive housing benefit.

Yes Tab. They (People in work) do often claim H.B which is a bad day. If you're going out to work and can't pay your rent then there is definately something wrong with the system.

Superwife you are being rather naive if you think DC's educational background isn't worth examining. It absolutely is, simply because it isn't the norm for 93% of the population. Public school is a different world - not just a different education. People from that background are raised to THINK in a profoundly different way from most of the population at large; you are expected to excel, expected to be a captain of industry and given the MINDSET with which to do it.

I often think the real problem is a poverty of mindset; and if we could just teach kids that in school and have it reinforced at home anybody could be capable of anything.

I realised this when I went to public school myself after state school. It was a tricky epiphany and while I'm grateful for a fabulous education I'm afraid a large proportion of the public school educated take his mindset for granted and simply can't understand why other people don't just get on with it like they do.

As for DC, he is doubly 'unfortunate' in that he went straight from Eton to Oxford to Tory think tank and has never proved himself in industry or even the city, while GO has just had to figure out how not to lose the family wealth which is really not that tricky.

I have no problem with toffs; some of them are even my friends - however, they don't pretend to be part of big society so I can cut them some slack.

OP has form for shit stirring and "anti-immigration racist bollocks.

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PeachyParisian I have 'form for shit stirring and anti immigration bollocks' why is that? Because my views differ to yours? I forgot if you disagree with immigration one is racist

I miss the fairer, more equal society back in my native Scandinavia. I'm hoping we can create something similar in Scotland (where I have been living for over a decade now), so I think I will vote yes.

I'm pretty sure that the Labour party has as many public/privately educated members as the Conservative.

In recent years the two PMs from the most humble beginnings have both been Tories - John Major and Maggie T