To be very concerned that DD2 is now telling lies about me to her form Tutor.

[smokepole]

I know it seems like every week, that DD2 is up to something than she apologizes and says sorry. However, I am very angry with her now , I got a phone call from DDs form tutor telling me that she seen DD2 and friend Julie working round the town 'drinking' beer from a can with some 'undesirable' non 'grammar school' boys (expect to get flamed for that) on Friday night. They were both supposed to have been in the Cinema . The form teacher approached them and asked them what was in the can ( butter would not melt in the mouth) DD said the can was empty and 'would not ever drink alcohol' 'Lovely to see you miss ' . The form tutor was having nothing of it so pulled them both Monday morning , Julie admitted to drinking beer, DD still denied she had drunk any Alcohol. DD then burst in to tears saying I am throwing her out after she has done her GCSEs because I am moving to Cheshire and that she is not allowed to come. DD asked her form teacher ' can I stay with you miss for sixth form'.

I told DD about two weeks ago that we were moving to Trafford in July after her GCSEs and DS school year ends, she fluctuates from being ok to swearing and slamming bedroom doors. The main reason I am going is for DD2 and DS , to give them a better chance, there really is nothing for them on the Kent coast. The thing is I keep 'grounding ' her and taking 10% of her allowance of her , she then returns to being the loving caring daughter I know she is.

The form tutor has given DD and Julie a detention, Julie for drinking, DD one for lying. DDs form teacher is very concerned about DDS behaviour and why she is acting like a year 7 ( incidentally she was so focused in year 7 overcoming her difficulties) she never behaved anything like this. This is the reason why her form tutor is very 'fond' of her. The form tutor told DD that year 11 is 'not the right time' for this behaviour.

Down yes he is Brilliant. One of the reasons he fell out with his twin sister, was she did not prevent DD1 from having to go in to the 'modern' system in Kent and the pot luck that brings.

Brother was 'Cash tied' when DD1 passed 380, but failed her 11+ mum and dad could not get access to cash from their sold business. Brother, Mum and Dad asked to borrow 20k from Sister to pay for two years of school fees for DD1 knowing they would be able to pay her back by then (she had access to £20k, just Doing Fuck All in a Natwest Account). She refused to lend the money forcing her Niece no1 in to a Kent modern school. Sister was fine Her DD was already at Chelmsford County High, her Ds was getting tutoring for entry to the the boys grammar, yet to spite her family again she refused to lend the money.

The fact that it has worked out very well for DD1 is not the point, it also meant that brother and I reneged on our deal that non of our children, would ever go to a Kent modern school.

I love my Dear Sister very much (brother is still pissed of with her) and am very proud of her achievements, I just wish she could start being a family member rather than a 'soloist'.

You write in a way that someone who thinks this is how 'posh' people would write.

This is bollocks isn't it?

There is even a twin reference hmm.

Down. It is very difficult to give away £30k , the Inland Revenue are 'Shit Hot' on that type of thing . You have to be creative hence the Car because it is assumed that cars depreciate are reduced in value. However, the Inland Revenue are now starting to look at things like this as well. It may be therefore difficult for DD to sell the car, if that is the case at least she will have a lovely fully insured taxed car to drive for as long as she wants.

Your brother sounds controlling, falling out with his sister because she wouldn't pay for her nieces education. What happens if you make a choice that upsets him?
What happens if he gets into a financial mess and can't afford to prop you up, can you afford the move without him?

I can understand you want to move but it would be foolish to be so reliant on your brother.

Who is 'Posh' Knee.? Who is pretending to be Posh..

I think this thread is actually one of those challenges radio djs and TV presenters sometimes have with each other, like how many film titles can you get in the program or use the word discombobulated.

The Ops challenge was to name 100 towns and counties in one thread. She is doing well, I must have counted about 54 geographical areas already!! Some for no reason at all, just randomly listed!!!

Who is 'Posh' Knee.?

Not you.

Who is pretending to be Posh

You.

Whiff of Hyacinth about you.

Of course you can give away £30,000 without HMRC interfering. All your brother needs to do is not die within seven years of the gift.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-2242342/My-brother-wants-40-000-Will-pay-tax-it.html

"It is very difficult to give away £30k , the Inland Revenue are 'Shit Hot' on that type of thing "

Stop trying to pretend that you know about things you don't.

All over the country, the bank of mum and dad are giving middle class kids thirty grand as house deposits, as the cost of doing a law conversion course, as the cost of doing an MA, or whatever. Tell us why they should be worried about the "Shit Hot" HMRC coming around? Other than in the unlikely scenario of your brother and his wife both dying within seven years of the gift, just what tax implications do you think such a transfer would have?

Why overcomplicate things? I know that cars are capital gains tax free, but you don't need to worry about CGT.

Just hand over the money, if you want to. The government isn't an evil force, controlling every move people make. You are allowed to spend you money any way you want, whether it's on a niece or on Vuitton handbags!

I would never want to be posh, have never tried to be posh. I just want to have the best life I can for myself. For the benefit of Sunflower who thinks its a game to name 100 towns or counties 46 to go:

lancaster University , Kendal Mint Cake , Meltown Mowbray Pork pie, Eccles Cake , Leyland Truck Poole Harbour Crewe station ,Lincoln Cathedral. Corfe Castle , Newbery Racecourse, Blackpool Tower Silverstone Racetrack, Bolton Town hall, Birkenhead Tunnel, Bodmin Moor, Cannock Chase, Leysdown on SEA. Henley On Thames, Clifton Suspension bridge, Llandudno Junction. RAF Valley, Oundle School, Barnard castle Windermere Burham Beeches, Woburn abbey, Epsom Downs, Biggin Hill ,Milford Haven, Shepton Mallet, Hatfield Palace, Lydd Airport , Pembroke Dock, Port Sunlight, Welwyn Garden city , Matlock Baths,

I have given up 36 places with connections.

smokepole You're seriously bonkers, but quite entertaining.

Told you! Love it when i am right!!

I think you will find they are starting to look at such things differently. I did not say it was impossible just potentially difficult. Some people are going to get quite a shock , things like paying University fees or interest only mortgages are fine . There is a fine line though and they are starting to look at expensive cars and other items that are given away as way to beat the tax man.

You can also be assured that if labour get in they are going to go big time after this as this would demonstrate fairness in their eyes.

Of course I am aware of the seven year rule, having received money from my parents only to lend it back to them. I am only telling what I have been told that you need to be aware when giving gifts that rules could change .

Did you run out of apostrophes/quotation marks? I'm starting to miss them.

I haven't got the faintest idea what this thread is about but I am helpless with laughter at it

smokepole Gifts can cause capital gains tax issues when resold, at present, yes.

So give cash. You're trying to get round non-existent rules, and risking running into another.

Either you, or your brother, are confused.

I went to the local comprehensive, did well and got good grades. I befriended some boys at the Grammar School near my mothers (I loved with Dad) and had the time of my life. They had more money than I did and bought me fags, booze and weed. I loved those boys

Wow. You're very good at getting replies on your thread :)

I can't decide whether to be thoroughly entertained or completely horrified by all this. It's certainly a weird one. It's up there with Beesimo and Gran Gran.

lived not loved. sorry.

Oh I loved Beesimo and gran gran and DLass1 & 2.

Manchester you say op? Don't you know We're all Gangsta in Manchester Your dd may catch the scally, grammar school or not.

This 'thread' is bloody 'bonkers'

" There is a fine line though and they are starting to look at expensive cars and other items that are given away as way to beat the tax man."

Tell us how giving away cars "beats the tax man", and therefore potential either (a) evades or (b) later incurs tax.

It's not CGT other than in some very exotic circumstances involving cars where the C Gs enough to be Td.

It's not income tax.

It's not, in the situation you outline, IHT.

Which tax is it, and who is allegedly "beating" the tax man? Be as technical as you can like.

I am only telling what I have been told that you need to be aware when giving gifts that rules could change .

New taxes cannot be imposed retrospectively on transactions that have already happened. So whoever's telling you this stuff is talking bollocks.

Thank you Queen Tilly will Ask Brothers Tax people.

Biggles. It is a very serious thread, with big issues involving me and my family and friends. however, it does not mean you can't be entertained with lighter moments within a thread.

I do think the reason people are reading this post is because of my bizarre writing style that is totally alien to University educated people, in particular they find my inconsistent and wrong use of comma's intriguing .

This is the reason why I have kept the 'How To Be Smarter' Day 4 :Grammar pull out from the times from a few days ago.

'Take the Parent test' Can you Score higher than your kids?
9 questions on grammar , I am sure the pedant's on here will be relived to know I scored lower than my grammar school educated DD2 and DS.

It does matter because in the space of the next few weeks, I will be reflecting on Consumer society, peoples identity and lifestyle's courtesy of the Open University DD102 Module.

On a serious note Mumsnet allows us to have a bit of 'fun' and not be governed by convention or be worried that our bosses or friends might see us in a less than complimentary way.

OP seriously, what is your obsession with quotation marks?? Why are you putting quotation marks around words like "pony" and "happily"? Do you understand the generally accepted understanding of doing this I.e. That you are actually highlighting some ambiguity in your use of that word or phrase? Except in your case, you do it so much and so randomly that none of us know what, if anything, you mean by it? Please stop it unless you really mean to highlight that particular word as it makes your posts even more confusing to read.