Indyref8

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine, but who will be Prime Minister? Pretty unsatisfactory changing halfway through. My suggestion was that maybe Cameron, Clegg, Miliband et al agree on a team and step back themselves. It would make the end result a joint enterprise and could prevent years of feuding in rUK.

Rita
You expect Salmond to do the best he can for Scotland. I expect Cameron to do his best for the continuing UK. It will be tough.

I say again : You are not voting for the White Wishlist. You are only voting for independence.

Why would WM give in to all of AS demands? They have to prioritise the rUK so yes it is likely to get hostile in places. Loyalties will lie with the rUK and securing the best deal for them (and probably trying to win the most political votes for next GE) not with Scotland.

The Governor of the Bank of England is not up for negotiating.

An Independent Scotland would not be able to keep the pound.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11084473/Scottish-independence-Mark-Carney-hits-out-at-incompatible-currency-union-plans.html

I'd like AS to know that his bluff and bluster certainly won't fool those at the EU Commission. He simply lacks the negotiation skills never mind bargaining position to do well. He doesn't come across as authentic to anyone who has a little bit of experience in the field. Basically, the standard of behaviour is appalling.

The West-Rhenish school of negotiation rules in Europe at present, and AS simply can't pull that off. Neither can NS. Who are you going to use?

But I don't think with these individuals we are talking about particularly genuine, well meaning people - we are talking about people who are devoted to, and obsessed by a particular cause, to the exclusion of all else.

I also expect that in an independent Scotland, a megalomaniac "leader" would make sure to hunt down people like me and make life very unpleasant for anyone who dares to speak out.

chelsy well, AS "cause" is his place in history.... which wont be as brilliant as he thinks, in the longer term, even if the vote goes Yes, which is not a certainty.

did anyone see that ruddy Jackie (Bird?) barracking Mr Eyebrows on BBC Scotland tonight. She was hugely sneery. Cant stand her. If she had the intelligence of Paxo I could see where the condescension would come from but really she is only any good for presenting Hogmanay Celebrations.
Eyebrows didn't come over brilliantly either, tbf, but he remained unruffled which was something.

I cannot look Darling in the eyes when he's on TV because I'm too mesmerised with those eyebrows!!

I would argue even Hogmanay is a bit of a stretch

Bernard Ponsonby is giving Darling a good grilling now on STV.

Cambiodenombre - glad it's not just me. Don't mean to be personal about her, each to their own and all that. But she was hugely sneerey and she gets right up my nose!

The people on the screen tonight or tomorrow will soon be gone.

What you will be left with is what you have allowed them to do.

Will need to catch up on interviews later as having been out all evening I think DH might shoot me if I started watching stuff too!

Good point Sally. If Yes prevails, we'll all be left with the consequences far beyond our own lifetimes. You must rise above personal feelings towards current politicians. It's not about them!

Jackie Bird's sequinned dresses have more clout than she does.

So if i get the current drift. Until the wheels came off the currency, EU, debt, and England will let us have everything we want model of what Independence will give you vote it is now - oh you arent going to get everything in the white paper - you will just get an independent country.

So lets have a little intellectual honesty - if such a thing is possible

1. No Currency union?
2. EU application at the back of the queue?
3. Nato application - back of the queue and trident would have to stay?
4. No sterlingisation (against EU rules if you want to join the club)

So in March 2016 Scotland will not have have or has no plans to have
a) currency
b) NATO membership
c) EU Membership
d) a central bank

can any yes voter at all please put forward a statement that bears scrutiny please. Because this is what you will get when you vote Yes. let me run through that list again

No currency
No central bank
No EU membership (no subsidy for farms etc)
No BBC
No significant state bodies - like a tax authority.

This is an independent country - this is what Yes will give you. because strangely this is what most posters here think they are getting with a yes vote. These things being missing mean you will not have a land of milk, honey and a chicken in every pot and a bentley in every drive.

So again - is this what you have signed up for?

squoosh

Sallyingforth - yes, that is a very important point.
sorry to wiffle on about talking heads

It is what we will be left with, and the regrets we may have, that matters.

oh to be dammed by slippery fingers.

This is not what most posters here think they are getting....

is that the longest silence we've had on these threads during waking hours?!

The closer it gets, the more worrying it becomes. Such an important vital vote.

We are all contemplating our navels!

DO you do that in the mirror Wildthong? Or in some sort of super flexible yoga move where you stare straight at it and try to discern the meaning of the world?

What happened to all the yes voters?

I did think reading through the thread for tomorrow's debate that the questions are largely going to AS. I wonder how many both AS and AD (or their minions) will answer. Can they cherry pick them? Do they have to answer them all?

Will it be like an exam where AD stands up half way through and shouts I'm done whilst AS is still beavering away with his calculator? (Actually pretty sure AS doesn't own a calculator...)

oddcommentator should cut and paste her last post onto the AD AD forum.

ooops one before her last post, although I am sure they would be interested in slippery fingers