Indyref8

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine, but who will be Prime Minister? Pretty unsatisfactory changing halfway through. My suggestion was that maybe Cameron, Clegg, Miliband et al agree on a team and step back themselves. It would make the end result a joint enterprise and could prevent years of feuding in rUK.

Cricket, every single voter in Scotland could vote the same way and still be ruled by a different party.

That's not the same as getting who you vote for. My vote in the Scottish parliament elections wasn't to the party that ended up in power. That happens.

When a whole country is without a voice, that's wrong.

I was quite impressed with Cameron's speech. I'm not a Conservative but "I care more for my country than my party" resonates with me.

He couldn't win really? If he'd been in your face from the start all the yessers would have been telling the Tory toff to eff off; as it is he's criticised by them for not being prominent.

It does seem beyond yes voters to understand that people are no supporters for the same fundamental reasons. I care for Scotland too and I care for my country.

That's what the yes voters here have been absolutely hammered for - believing something better is around the corner.

Lovleyrita, I was already voting no. my decision to vote no is not based on this. So I do not need to defend or describe what I'm voting for, because it is not influencing my decision.

Agree with Rita on this issue. Whatever the outcome of this referendum I am genuinely shocked and disappointed at WMs tardy response to the real possibility of genuine change - call that naive if you like.

I was a very firm no in 2010-2011 and undecided for at least two years after that. Nobody from any part of the No campaign did anything to reach me then. And now they are lobbing manifesto-style pledges about further powers at me when many people I know have already voted. Deeply undemocratic.

My own MP's lack of visibility on this issue is very disheartening. All I have heard from them is some on-brand lines about Labour freezing energy prices. Don't they get it? This isn't Ed Miliband's election campaign. It's a referendum on constitutional change.

Roseforme - on the cafe full of babies/cocktail bar thing - my guess is that they were in Hemma. It's a cafe/bar very near Holyrood with a Scandinavian feel, often frequented by MSPs and used for quasi-party political functions. It is a bar/cocktail bar in the evening, and a baby friendly cafe during the day. Big cocktail list and also lots of comfy couches with toys etc.

I wish I could believe them, but all sense tells me that I shouldn't. I do hope I am wrong

I was a No too. It was some time after the cynicism an arrogance of refusing DevoMax on the ballot that I felt resigned to vote Yes.

Now I'm committed

I'd vote no anyway, because I believe what we have now is better than what we would have after a Yes vote. I'd prefer if we got extra powers that would take is to some sort of in between position and hopefully satisfy at least some of the Yes voters (assuming it was a no) who felt they hadn't got what the wanted. It could help to calm things down given how close it is. But that's a "bonus hope" if you like. If it didn't happen it be incredibly disappointed at the lies, I'd happily campaign and get involved to change it.

But I will still vote NO knowing it might not happen.

But you've got a belief that they are going to do what they've said?

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a belief. I'd assess it as more likely than not.

I am voting Yes, but I do expect a No. I expect the gloves to come off big style over the next week. There will be all manner of organisations 'persuaded' into declaring that they will leave Scotland. No business can exist in a small country.

I do hope it is tight enough such that there is some vague chance that it would be rather off to renege on the promises. I do hope so but I don't have much.

I have consistently been "no" since the first referendum in 1979. I have never understood what the point of the SNP was. It is not a party I can identify with. There may well have been policies I agreed with but the fundamental principles are too unpalatable.

If No wins I can't see how Labour or Conservative can renege on what has been offered. To do so would just start it all over again.

C4 News - Cameron has the gall to say that when he refused DevoMax, he was not refusing more powers at the time of referendum Interviewer (his name a blank at mo' called him on it; said that DC said it was absolutely NOT the time to discuss more powers. Scotland HAD to decide first, then he would see. DC Stum.

Whether or not the extra powers happen makes no difference to me. I'd be disappointed in that it would have been a lie; not that the powers weren't delivered.

OK, that's quite clear

Well, Phaedra, you did vote against devolution. Twice. So it's fairly clear that additional powers aren't of any interest to you.

So you have faith in their hastily constructed promises made a matter of days before the poll but mock those saying yes?

Scotland HAD to decide first, then he would see. DC Stum.

And Salmond has a fully laid out plan for everything too, doesn't he? Oh wait....

They were in Hamma, it said. I didn't realise there was a place where you can take babies / children and drink cocktails.

Is that at me LovleyRita? Cos if so you might want to note that I don't mock those saying yes.

Salmond at least has plans! They aren't even willing to enlighten us with their plans.

The doomsday guy on C4 who says we will be in the shitter says the Netherlands are in deep doodoo too

Is it me or is Jackie Bird not so much interviewing Salmond, as giving him a chance to get on his soap box. Ask him some questions? Challenge him?

Oh, I despair. Where is Paxman when you need him?

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That's a nonsense response, DC was holding us to ransom. He was called on it. He could not deny that it wa a mistake. Watch the interview on C4+1