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grovel · 09/09/2014 17:36

ItsAllGoingToBeFine, but who will be Prime Minister? Pretty unsatisfactory changing halfway through. My suggestion was that maybe Cameron, Clegg, Miliband et al agree on a team and step back themselves. It would make the end result a joint enterprise and could prevent years of feuding in rUK.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 18:22

Deal legal, isn't it?

CoreyTrevorLahey · 10/09/2014 18:24

Making stuff up, you say, Chelsy?

Voila:
I can't help thinking this is a failing in the Scottish education system. People should come out of school with a rough grasp of how democracies work, not just their own, and the lessons of history.

Corey Chelsy, why is this specifically a failing of the Scottish education system? Do you find MNers from other countries more informed on their political systems?Yes, absolutely I do.

Criseyde · 10/09/2014 18:24

Yep, a nice wee get out. Promise all the powers in the world, with no substance whatsoever behind them, because anything with substance would be a breach of purdah.

Too little, too late.

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grovel · 10/09/2014 18:26

I love you now, but till now,not so much
But I might master it; in faith, I lie:
My thoughts were like unbridled children grown
Too headstrong for their mother. See, we fools!
Why have I blabbed? Who shall be true to us,
When we are so unsecret to ourselves?
But, though I loved you well, I wooed you not,
And yet, good faith, I wished myself a man,
Or that we women had men's privilege
Of speaking first

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ArabellaTarantella · 10/09/2014 18:26

If they win, will the Scots promise faithfully to keep Gordon Brown their side of the border?

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 18:29

In your opinion. Not mine. Yup, they screwed up and should have done it earlier. Does not mean that they won't honor their promises. All politicians are as bad as each other, you can't say one lot will absolutely not stand up to their promises yet believe another will.

I don't think any of them would risk a U turn. It would be far too public - they have been all over the world's news today and yesterday with this. As I said upthread, if they renege I will be out there marching with everyone else to change it. But I don't think they will.

ChelsyHandy · 10/09/2014 18:29

Corey do you think education and hoping that people are informed is something to mock? Be very wary of those who try to devalue the ridicule the value of education...

AnnieHoo · 10/09/2014 18:32

Stats Good news about the poll.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 10/09/2014 18:34

It's shameful that it has taken a lead in the polls for the yes campaign for the big guns to pay attention to the debate.

There were no plans for them to get involved until the polls tipped in yes's favour. How insulting is that? Are no supporters not insulted by that?

For over two years campaigners have been busting a gut, volunteers working tirelessly. And now that there's the slightest sniff of No losing this the men in suits eventually ride in to take over.

CoreyTrevorLahey · 10/09/2014 18:36

No I do not, Chelsy. I have a PhD. I work at one of Scotland's major universities. Education is my career.

What I do find suspect is people who decide that Scots on the whole are not well educated on politics and are products of a poor education system. There were three other young Scottish women sharing my office with me when I did my doctorate. Students at my university are using their academic and experiential knowledge to engage with this referendum in a truly heartening way.

Criseyde · 10/09/2014 18:36

March away. After all, marching did so much to divert the course of the Iraq war, hiked tuition fees, and the bedroom tax.

When people get out there and march, WM really listen...

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 18:37

I'm not insulted as such, no. I'm vaguely amused that they didn't twig earlier although to be fair the polls did leap up really quickly. I think the Tories especially thought it was better to leave it to Scottish people and Scottish politicians. I think they underestimated the extent to which some of us wanted their input.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/09/2014 18:37

They absolutely have to say it's not government policy. Otherwise they'd be in breach of electoral regs

I appreciate that, but by the same token surely it's hardly appropriate for those who llike the idea to treat the remarks as some sort of holy writ ??

AnnieHoo · 10/09/2014 18:40

No I'm not insulted, I find it reassuring that they're all united. I would have liked Cameron up earlier but he was always due up on Monday anyway. It's their duty to fight for us!

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 10/09/2014 18:40

And it is scandalous they are shifting the goal posts after people have already cast their votes. They might be ducking the legalities but it's an absolute outrage and, you guessed it, bloody insulting.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 18:41

Look, you've clearly decided it's spin and won't happen. That's fine. But lots of other people, for reasons they have explained, don't believe a u turn on this would happen.

My point re marching was I'd be out there doing whatever needed to be done to contest it if they u-turned. It was supposed to be a supportive statement.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 10/09/2014 18:41

Their duty? Well they spent 2 years ignoring that duty.

Roseformeplease · 10/09/2014 18:43

Not usually a conspiracy theorist but Justine said, on the debate thread, that she and Salmond were in a cafe surrounded by babies. However, the telegraph is reporting that they were in a cocktail bar near the parliament where they had taken over a whole floor.

Which one was it?

(Darling was at Better Together HQ)

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 10/09/2014 18:44

Funny how it's ok for you to believe what is nothing more than words, out of desperate mouths, that haven't actually been fully explained but it's not ok for yes supporters to believe long constructed plans. We're in cloud cuckoo land, last la land and so on and so forth.

cricketpitch · 10/09/2014 18:44

I keep reading - have been glued to these threads. Thank you to those posters who know their stuff - it has been really helpful.

I am English, DH Scottish, we live in England so DH doesn't get a vote along with any Scot who has been away working or studying for a while.

Very worried about the impact on England, Wales, N.Ireland as well as on Scotland. It will be expensive - and yet there is nothing we can do. Dreading it.

By the way, in over 30 years of voting I have NEVER had someone I voted for elected. That is the FPTP system - which needs reform - it is not a Scotland/England question.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 10/09/2014 18:45

So let's hear it no voters. What are you voting for now? What will be delivered after a no vote?

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grovel · 10/09/2014 18:46

To be fair I think Cameron had to stay in the background. He knows he's hated by many/most in Scotland. Why front a campaign if you make the electorate's teeth itch?

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cricketpitch · 10/09/2014 18:48

Agree with PP that WM should have taken this more seriously earlier

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 18:48

I've never said that though, have I? Funny how it's ok for you to denigrate no voters for feeling optimistic though, isn't it.