Indyref8

[grovel]

ItsAllGoingToBeFine, but who will be Prime Minister? Pretty unsatisfactory changing halfway through. My suggestion was that maybe Cameron, Clegg, Miliband et al agree on a team and step back themselves. It would make the end result a joint enterprise and could prevent years of feuding in rUK.

Odd-most of the best performing economies are small.

Scotland is a normal sized country.

The UK is an overinflated beast that has got so fat it can't see the feet it stands on.

It is bloody terrifying that we might wake up on 19th to economic chaos on a scale not seen ever before. We go to bed in one of the wealthiest, most stable places on earth and we wake up to a run on the banks, plunging pound, stock market in crisis and mass exodus of anyone with any money.

At least the traffic will be better on the way to work, though I guess the M74 will be gridlocked. Will also need to watch out for four blokes on horses...

Oh not this again. Not one person I've been out with has been an employee of any political party. They were all volunteers just like the yes campaigners.

Don't try to denigrate the efforts of those who happen to be on the other side. It cheapens your good points about increased engagement. Is engagement only valid if it's in agreement with you?

So the only comment no campaigners have on the McCrone report is the date it was written.

Remind me what date it was released?

Freddie - it is truly frustrating. What we see is some people who have got carried away with all the lovely fluffy glorious bollocks of it all. And are now justifying their emotional, irrational decision. Simple. This is why we dont get reasoned answers. They decided, it is simple. It must be better - because AS said so. Oh so he lied over a small details. Never mind - lovely smile and that NS is nice too. They wouldnt sell me a pup.

Issy, those are the type of issues I'm thinking about too. Will have to come back later, working now.

Weatherall - the UK is an over inflated Beast? 62m? The same size as france, Germany. Smaller than Japan, China, India etc?

The argument of balkanisation for economic efficiency is so utterly laughable.

Scotland would be the same size as S.London. Not London, S London. The costs are enormous.

A smaller state of 5.m is more efficient to run - says who? You? the copy of socialist worker you copy and paste from - or the yes office from which you paste?

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Stat there is photographic evidence that 'crowds' of supposed BT 'volunteers' were actually labour employees or family members of labour employees.

BT were called out on this months ago. It's not a new argument.

weatherall, I agree it was wrong that it was covered up.

But it is too late now. What's done is done, we have to work with what we have.

Please fgs don't vote Yes because you're still pissed off about things that happened 40 years ago.

One 'complaint' I've had several times on the doorstep is 'why hasn't anyone from the other side been out?'.

Yes does have more grassroots support. You may not like it but that is one of the facts of this campaign.

Its - indeed - you are a little histrionic and perhaps reducto ad absurdam - but you are voting to leave a successful, rich economic and political union.

Look what happened to Slovakia. Currency union lasted 4 days as money got moved to prague. 4 days. Monday to Thursday.

My slovakian chums say that it was the worse thing they ever did splitting up with Czech. But they know it is no going back.

The ones that I have been out with are not. Early on, maybe. But right now there are very significant number pitching up to canvas and doorknock for the no campaign who are normal people with all political affiliations, or none.

Yes does have more grassroots support. You may not like it but that is one of the facts of this campaign

Maybe that is the case in your area, or have you been canvassing in every street in every part if Scotland?

stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=558

OEDC list of top economies. Scotland would be 14th, higher than the UK btw.

Oversized countries like the UK have fat bureaucracy.

I take it you must have no inkling at all at the size of the Scottish civil service to say that.

And that was a brilliant defection of my question re Eck's deceitfullness- refer back to a 40 year old report. That is a tactic he would use himself.

Eck and Nicola lied to and in Parliament within the last few months about this.

Earth- I have leafleted/canvassed in 6 constituencies. I have friends in several others.

The feeling I have got is a significant shift towards yes over the summer and a general sense of positivity and hope. Most of the volunteers I come across are new and not snp members.

I'm embarrassed. Embarrassed, mortified, ashamed, horrified etc by the sheer stupidity of 51% of my fellow Scots (going by the Sunday poll)

My country could be destroyed by people simply wanting to give a giant V sign to Westminster.

We are an international laughing stock. I have relatives in America, Canada, NZ and Germany who think this whole thing is just ridiculous.

Phaedra- why are you so scared to comment on the McCrone report?

Is your side that scared of admitting that the UK establishment has a track record of lying to the Scottish population to prevent independence?

Still waiting to hear your explanation of Eck and Nicola lying to Parliament about the EU advice. Re the McCrone report that's the best you can come up with? 40 years ago and that justifies this outrageous lie?

Weatherall did or did not Eck lie in Parliament that he had a legal opinion on the EU?

I'm talking here and now about something fundamental to his position.

Stat it would actually surprise me if volunteers are turning up no given the relentless scaremongering of the no campaign.

I actually think it's quite sad that people have become so scared.

Driving people into action through fear is pretty deplorable.

We have a larger public sector in Scotland than in the UK already.

The oecd list figures are based on the situation now. They take no account of the changes which might happen to the economy after independence. Recession would reduce gdp.

And to an extent it's irrelevant how high the gdp is -we spend more than our revenues. You could be a millionaire but if you spend like a billionaire you'll run in to trouble eventually.

I actually think it's quite sad that people have become so scared.

It is but it is happening.

I am talking about the current First Minister deliberately telling lies to fellow MSPs .