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I am also happy with the degree of representation we have. Whether I'm happy with the representatives is a different question

Medium term financial instability is not just a personal issue - it's not just about the impact on me, my family etc - it's about what that instability does to the country as a whole.

Criseyde : for me it's not about financial security per se. (Though having grown up with a knowledge eviction was always a possibility due to a tied tenency I have valued security in my child rearing years that's for sure.

I won't see a whole generation's future job prospects pissed about with for a the sake of a small group's "ism" : in this case "civic nationalism".

And the oil won't last forever.

And our renewables are subsidised by UK.

Stat and I have answered the 'Scotland is treated unfairly claims' already.

More than once.

odd
not to mention the fact that an inde Scotland would hopefully still be in/rejoin the EU

There is no need for the Saltire to be flying high in Downing Street. It just smacks of desperation now. Why not have it flying high two years ago when this all started?

IrnBru I agree, we have found ourselves with something in common!

I find it very peculiar that no campaigners say they hate nationalism but then say they are voting no because they love being part of the UK. Surely that is British nationalism?

Aww - I think it's lovely.

I might fly an English flag to show my solidarity with the people of England.

Or a Greek flag in honour of St Andrew.

A really stupid gimmick by Downing Street.

I enjoyed, this piece by Alex Massie in The Spectator, on why he's voting No. Really well written, even if you disagree with his stance.

It just smacks of desperation now

So what if it does?

They underestimated the risk, which was pretty legitimate given that until the campaign began in earnest the polls said only about 1/3rd (approximation) were in favour of independence. Now they've realised they were wrong and are showing they give a damn and doing something about it.

No British nationalism is UKIP's province - with their wanting to come out of the EU and 'repatriate' immigrants.

I can totally understand that many people do feel happy with the representation they have in WM. But many others aren't happy, and I don't think it's legitimate to tell them that they're simply wrong, or should be happy with it and accept it - any more than I think it's legitimate to tell people who are uncomfortable with financial uncertainty that they should just accept it!

For me, that's the impasse.

So no one can 'answer' the 'Scotland is treated unfairly claims' other than the electorate really. I think the idea that any particular issue has been 'dealt with' on this thread is a bit daft, and off-putting to new posters.

As far as I can see odd's post urging voters to vote No in order to pacify the markets (not that they are exactly in turmoil - a 1.3% drop hasn't been been headline news all year) is just as unconvincing as (several other previous posters) telling risk averse voters, who are comfortable with the current democratic set up in the UK, that they should just vote Yes and deal with the risk! Both positions are pretty patronising and fail to see where the motivation to vote Yes or No really comes from.

Though lots of people will vote Yes or No for sillier reasons than these.

oddcommentator

The UK did have a double dip recession and the economy still hasn't returned to 2007 levels. This has been the longest recovery, ever.

That is not an economy that is being run well.

Same with the increased powers pledge. It's ridiculously late but better late than never.

If that would have been your preferred option you will still get it by voting no. No way can WM go back on that promise now.

Chocoluvva - the European Commission yesterday their assertion that an independent Scotland would have to leave the EU and reapply.
I'm sure they're just bluffing and scaremongering though.

They are only paying attention now it's a real possibility. That just shows how out of touch Westminster is with the people of Scotland.

But not any more Lovley.

They're listening now.

Sorry chocoluvva that shouldn't have been directed at you.

weatherall you are generalising again. Is it possible that the posters who are proud to be part of the UK (me) are not the same ones who have posted about "hating" Nationalism (not me), I love a bit of flag waving whether it be the saltire or the union flag, gets me all emotional.
I do hate extreme nationalism though.
Anyway my point is, we are all different people with disparate views and opinions so don't lump us all in together, it's lazy.

I don't particularly love the UK in a sentimental way, I'm more relieved I live in a reasonably well functioning country.

It took us to get into single figures before they took us seriously.

It's q shambles, too little too late.

Now we have the 'oil is running out' line.

Didn't the no side say that in 1979, 35 years ago.

Oil will last longer than my lifetime and by then we will have a thriving renewables industry to replace it.

cris good post!