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IndyRef 7

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/09/2014 09:33

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Clarinshobbs · 09/09/2014 14:36

The Scottish Government is already in control of Education, Health, Housing, Social Services to list but a few. Check out the Scottish Parliament website for the full list. So to keep blaming WM for everything that is wrong in Scotland is very wrong. The SG could already have been doing something about Food Banks, the NHS (and they are using private contractors throughout Scotland), Education, Social justice etc etc. They just like to blame everybody else but themselves for things that are wrong in Scotland. To keep saying that we don't get the governments we vote for is also a load of rubbish. I don't have the govt I voted for in Scotland nor in WM. Only 1 in 4 people voted for the SNP and it was a small turnout. People need to get out and vote - whether it is council elections, local elections or , general elections - that is what will change policies - not saying at home. We fought hard for the vote and we should be using it. If the country had got out & voted in the last Scottish election, we would not have had a majority SNP government and would not be in the mess we are tearing the country apart.

To vote with your Heart is all very well but a country's finances & policies etc are not voted for by 'heart". they are formed & created by using heads & facts. The SNP have not costed out a thing. All they keep saying is it will be part of the negotiations - that is no way to plan and it is very dangerous and risks everything that we value in Scotland. The EU don't want an independent Scotland, the UK govt will not give Scotland a Currency Union (& why should they after all that has been said about the English by the horrid side of Nationalism?) It is a fact that if there is a Yes Vote on 18th September, it will send the £ plummeting, increase our cost of living dramatically, risk people's pensions, devalue our houses, increase our mortgages - its hardly going to be helping the less advantaged is it if tax revenues plummet because nobody has the money or jobs? Why on earth would we want to risk this just because it seems like a good idea? Scotland has a Devolved Government - we have power to do much of the changes that the SNP are suggesting that they would like to do (& yet have not delivered on in this current parliament) and Scotland will get more powers. Why break away from what has worked very well for hundreds of years and jump off the precipice without any parachute - this will be irreversible.

Sorry, long post. I am a passionate Scot but also very proud to be British and share a long history. We are so much Better Together.

AnnieHoo · 09/09/2014 14:36

There haven't been many questions posted so far. It's one question per person so that's mine used up.

BardarbungaBardarbing · 09/09/2014 14:36

I'm feeling pretty confident today.

On a personal level I'm good: all family healthy and we have choices in life.

For the country I love (I know it's so not done to love the UK!) I feel worried as it has a 50:50 chance of being dissolved in a few days. But then again I'm not a nationalist of any type and I remain hopeful for my future. I worry more for those with few choices.

noddyholder · 09/09/2014 14:37

This is a real leap of faith situation as there are no crystal balls but how can the no voters blame the yes for their optimism and hope? They may be foolhardy but they may be right and it is their prerogative to 'gamble' as it were. I think this is the problem the Yes campaign is all built on possibility and taking a chance and the no on actual facts and figures that we have in front of us historic data The type of people who take chances are very different to those who like the status quo

Roonerspism · 09/09/2014 14:40

Lots of very very worried workers in my office today. I would say people are panicking, yes.

There is utter disbelief that despite the economic forecasts (majority of), predictions and stock markets falls, that there is any yes momentum.

I think none of us thought anyone would actually believe Salmond and his lies.

That complacency could cost us dearly.

awaynboilyurheid · 09/09/2014 14:40

Clarins well said ! could not agree more and stop using the body saltire I want my flag back !!!

Roseformeplease · 09/09/2014 14:40

IrnBreTheNooFeigning panic? Really? Is that what you think? Seriously? That we are pretending to be worried about the outcome?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/09/2014 14:41

Of course the Yes voters can take the gamble - but is it fair for them to drag approximately half the population of Scotland into that gamble against their will?

BardarbungaBardarbing · 09/09/2014 14:42

yes noddy they are different. I'd rather I wasn't tied to the person choosing to jump off the cliff!

BardarbungaBardarbing · 09/09/2014 14:43

It's a flaming mess noddy not a glorious revolution!

AnnieHoo · 09/09/2014 14:45

I think there will be a huge turnout next week. 80%?

BardarbungaBardarbing · 09/09/2014 14:45

noddy you seem a left leaner, did you read the Carol Clark piece linked to a couple of pages back? It spoke to me.

CKDexterHaven · 09/09/2014 14:46

Are these last-ditch promises by the Better Togethers breaking the terms of the referendum and, if so, is it a sneaky way of having the referendum declared null and void so they come back again with Devo Max on the table? It may sound paranoid but I think the Tories would stoop to anything as long as they don't become the party that broke up the UK.

IrnBruTheNoo · 09/09/2014 14:47

"bringing Brown the worst chancellor ever out is tragic."

This is the final charade which will see undecided voters switching to Yes without a doubt.

CKDexterHaven · 09/09/2014 14:47

Another question - If Scotland is not a member of the EU will all those people saying they will move to England be allowed in or will they be subject to restrictions?

BardarbungaBardarbing · 09/09/2014 14:48

I don't think anyone can declare the referendum null and void.

It is a last ditch attempt to pull us back from the brink.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 09/09/2014 14:49

I've said from the word go they will find some way to declare a yes resultmnull and void. They've done it before!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/09/2014 14:50

I personally think that this should be decided by much more than a 51% majority. I know it is way too late, but I think, if Scotland is going to become independent, it should be because an overwhelming majority of the population want it - not just a whisker over 50%.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 09/09/2014 14:51

STDG sounds like you are rather unwell, sorry to hear that. In counselling etc myself and it isn't all fun and games.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/09/2014 14:51

I see IrnBru has no reply for me.

AnnieHoo · 09/09/2014 14:52

CKDexter your questions were discussed down thread.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/09/2014 14:52

Reply to my 14:35:54 post, that is.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/09/2014 14:52

Statistically your last post on the positives for remaining in the union was great! Why on earth aren't the No campaign saying this sort of stuff?! It might have made a difference.

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BardarbungaBardarbing · 09/09/2014 14:53

CK as I was born in the UK I think they'd have to let me in, even if it is to sleep on a pal's sofa.Wink

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 09/09/2014 14:53

Is it fair a country could end up under the rule of a party even if not one person in that country voted?

No. But that's democracy. Allegedly.

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