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WildThong

Report away, but I've seen far, far worse things said about the motivations of the 'Yes' voters on this thread. They've been called 'stupid', 'racist', 'bigots', 'thugs'. You can see that a lot of people basically think of 'Yes' voters as scumbags and I do think there is a wealth divide in the vote.

Thanks CK, I don't need your permission, but I will anyway. Good discussions on here keep getting derailed onto mud slinging and personal attacks, I'm sure we would all prefer it didn't happen, no?

Annie I'm taking a wild guess and it's the questions from Yes supporters you find embarassing, which ones and why ?

Polonium don't talk rubbish, wanting and voting for Independence will not be seen as ridiculous" in the eyes of the world".

Some economists outside of Britain seem to think it's a bit ridiculous.

I'm tired of hearing when there is a Tory government Scotland ends up with a government it didn't vote for. Pre Scottish parliament it was true and often frustrating but now Scotland has extensive control over its own affairs. It can do things differently as illustrated by free tution fees.
The people of Texas may not have voted for the current US president but there not calling for the break up of the US are they?
If there is independence people will find something new to moan about. My parents already complain that things are too Edinburgh centred.
TBH after following this thread for the last couple of days I think the yes people are beyond listening to rational arguments.

Yes lem.

It has begun.

FT reports that pension funds are starting to move to London from Scottish providers with billions moving already
Nomura Bank has advised all Japanese funds to remove money from the uk due to the risk that Scotland poses
The BOE has emphatically ruled out a currency union
Savings have started to move to the US from the UK.

Credit Suisse has published a paper stating that Scotland would start in deep recession and provides advice notes to its investors to avoid Scotland.

Nice one Salmond - see what you did there. The money is already starting to move.

Yes voters - do you see - can you? Do you really think this has no effect on your jobs, your pensions? Look away from the grinning photo-ops - look at what is happening already and will increase in speed.

Is the money not moving because the UK economy is in such a parlous state that the removal of Scotland from the equation may tip it over the edge. Surely if Scotland was the issue the money would be moving south, rather than out of the UK?

That's so unfair of Nomura and Credit Suisse. How very dare they!

They're putting their clients ahead of the poor of Scotland.

It's moving because of uncertainty for now. What happens in the run up isn't necessarily representative of what will happen afterwards iyswim. Pension funds in particular just run for safety!

Its - most of the money movements are south. The rest is advice that the uncertainty means the UK should be avoided because of the uncertainty Scotland is generating.

Look - i get it Its - you dont think that the srtongest growing economy in the G7 is in a good way. Japan - shrank by7% last year. We didn't have a triple dip recession or even a double dip.

What is causing this is not the state of the 2.4trillion economy that you despise so much but the impact of the political risk that the yes campaign is having. political risk upsets investors. they move to a safe haven.

Read what I said - Nomura and Credit Suisse are advising against investing in the UK during the uncertainty.

So when the BoE says no currency union - and the UK parliament says no currency union - what precisely is the plan?

Please - anyone from the yes camp?

Anyone?

Shall we just give up on democracy then, odd? Because the markets don't like the uncertainty of General Elections either. And they won't like the uncertainty of an in/out referendum on the EU.

Shall we just scrub this voting thing and have the boards of the FTSE 100 make every decisions for us?

I asked a speculative question earlier on this thread.

For those of you who value personal financial stability more than greater democratic representation - which of your existing freedoms would you consider giving up in order to gain further financial security?

STD I'm sorry that I've upset you by what I said upthread earlier on. I didn't mean to offend you by the phrase 'feigning panic'. I hope you get better soon and I think we can all agree we wish it was next Friday so we had the result.

Sorry for slow reply, real life keeps getting in the way. This thread moves too fast!!

cris maybe you didn't get many responses because of the way you couched the question. Translates as, To those of you who are selfish, greedy and don't care about democracy....

Surprised there weren't loads of answers..

I'm not saying anyone is selfish or greedy.

Some people feel that the attractions of independence are outweighed by the possibility of short to medium term financial instability.

I don't think that's a controversial thing to say on this thread.

You know, WildThong, you just might be on to something there?

Also, a lot of people are perfectly happy with the degree of representation they already have. Others are not. Don't think that's controversial either, WT.

latinforTelly

Scotland pays more tax per head than rUK.

The 'subsidy' myth is old now.

Self -determination
what's best for Scotland regardless of rUK...

Ok, I did say upthread that I am happy with the representation I already have in WM as part of the broader UK. Fair to say it didn't go down well though. In my current precarious position I would not want to venture on short to medium financial instability.

We also spend more per head.

I am also happy with the level of representation in WM. But would prefer to have proportional representation. That doesn't seem to do down well here though either.

the thing is - i dont see how you will get greater democratic representation. In order to get the things you want -you will need to cede a lot of new power straight back to westminster. Like control over the economy. So in fact you will have less, and the economic instability.