to ask where indyref Part 5 is?

[grovel]

Well?

"You come across as quite unpleasant to read"

I think the feeling's mutual! You've not been very please to others on this thread either, if you read back several pages...

I don't think having an opinion is the same as looking down on someone. I may not agree with others points of view, what's wrong with that? You've done plenty of that too (as have other posters).

*pleasant

My qualifications are pretty transferable too, internationally recognised etc. Which is why I'll probably be leaving because it does require certain industries. Like most roles really.

This thread is increasingly becoming an argument of ideologies.

Nice link deedee.

No deeedeee you are being extremely selfish.

To say that thousands of ordinary working people should have their careers and family lives disrupted, just to satisfy your own ill-informed and impractical political wishes, really is a deliberate insult to those people.

It's always the same on a forum, if your viewpoint is in the minority you will be shot down in flames for it. Get over it, if someone else has a different point of view, it's not a personal attack! It is what it is, just a point of view.

I respect those who are planning to vote No, and have never been nasty unlike others who I could mention on this thread. I just don't think taking the defeatist approach to employment prospects is the best foot forward.

DH could lose his job at any time with or without independence but you just have to hope for the best. No one's job is properly secure. It's just that others jobs are more at risk than others on the spectrum.

I'm going off to do some real work now, before I read another of deedees posts and smash my keyboard through the screen.

deeedeee - it is kind of arrogant - or maybe naive - to think that most people can afford to retrain and get another job. Or even have the skills to do so.

DP was unemployed for over 6 months last year. He is a highly regarded, experienced professional. He had more than 10 interviews. couldn't get anything. in the end he even tried zero contract hours shift work. Nothing.

So please don't tell me, or anyone else, that it is easy to get another job.

DeeeDeee
Do you work outside the home? If not it may explain your views on retraining and work opportunites

Wow -- I blinked for two days and we're almost halfway through another thread already!

Back on thread 4, I think it was, several people were talking about how much it would cost to set up new "Scottish versions" of things currently provided by the UK (embassies etc). I was wandering through the dark and confused forest of the internet and I found this:

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/files/2014/06/Transitioning-to-a-new-Scottish-state-PD-ebook.pdf

A take on potential set-up costs of independence from a London-based (and hopefully unbiased) research project. Apparently the total in terms of immediate set-up costs would be £200 million.

Yes Scotland has a summary of it here if you don't have time to read the whole report (but I wanted to link to the actual source first and foremost).

yesscotland.net/answers/what-will-independence-mean-uk-government-departments-and-services-how-much-will-new

Ofcourse I bloody work, I've said so many times. Stop trying to prove your stereotype. Not every professional home owning person feels the same way as you.

I really don't know what to say... so I have posted a few times to say my job is moving to England in the event of a Yes vote. I have worked in my industry for over 20 years and in the particular project I am working on now for over 4 years -it is an important project and to train someone else to do my role would take at least 12 months (knowledge rather than skill).
For me to retrain in another field would mean entering at a less senior level and result in me losing a large proportion of the salary I have worked so hard for. Not to mention lose my final salary pension and redundancy benefits that I have built up over 20+ years.
I have worked so bloody hard to get where I am, I have built a reputation and a skill set that has taken blood, sweat and tears to achieve.
There will not be a comparable job in Scotland, there just wont (I can't say why it would out me) It's either move with my role to the UK or go to the US.
BUT I shouldn't worry I can retrain as a and it will all be ok.
My husbands job is almost as specialized as mine and whilst he could get a job in the UK it is very unlikely to be at his level (we've been looking for over 2 years and in that time only 2 jobs have been advertised both at least 4 levels less senior than him). So does he give up all he's worked for to move with me? He will because he loves me but it's a crying shame that we may have to disrupt our family so much and move our DC.

But why am I worrying -over 1000 artists say it's going to be ok! Whoop de dooo

Everybody who is suggesting retraining for anyone likely to be out of work if there is a yes vote (and believe me, it isn't just financial services employees who are affected), what would you suggest everyone retrain as? especially those of us in our dotage (50's). Oh, and who's going to be paying the mortgage and the leccy bill while we're retraining?

LadyCordeliaFlyte

Could you link me to an article setting out the ways in which the LSE report is incorrect?

Re the comparison with Ireland and the island of Britain. (I had to go out btw). My point was that islands of their size and population, from a geographical point of view alone - geography having implications for practicality and convenience - are an obvious 'unit'. It's a pity that the people of Ireland felt the need to put a border across their island. And it would be a pity if the people of Britain can't work together either.

North America/Canada are massive so not such a good comparison.

IMO competing with each other instead of co-operating with each other is not something to be proud of.

It is arguably more 'idealistic' or morally ambitious to keep faith with the idea of sticking with the team we already have, even though the times are tough. Not through fear of economic failure or personal disadvantage but because of a wish to continue working together for the good of the whole island like mature adults rather than squabbling children in a playground who can't get along.

However decently rUK behaves in negotiations with an independent Scotland the fact remains that the two countries will be competing with each other for trade and business, instead of co-operating with each other.

Oh and I should say I don't work in Financial Services, neither does DH.
There are many, many organisations that are moving south in the event of a Yes vote -they don't have a choice due to the work they do and their contractual obligations.

Wasn't it Norman Tebbit, the conservative minister who urged job seekers to "Get on your bike"?

Just popped back to post this I saw on the Telegraph site.
The housing market is already being affected:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11076072/House-buyers-insist-on-No-vote-clause-for-Scottish-purchases.html

chocoluvva

It's not exactly a team if the opinions of part of the team only affect the overall leadership of the team a handful of times over 50 years, is it? Scottish votes simply do not count - people in Scotland may, by chance, end up with a government that matches their voting intentions, but you could have taken Scottish votes out of the count and for most of the general elections over the past 50 years you would have had the same government. This means that the "team leadership" has no logical reason to pay attention to Scotland or to try to win their votes. That doesn't sound like a great team to me!

Seeder I'm sorry if I offended you. I didn't intend to. I couldn't remember whether or not you worked and don't have time to trawl the posts. I don't stereotype people who don't work

These are 'wealthy' buyers and sellers - perhaps not popular with some here, but they are the ones who will no longer be taxed in Scotland once they leave.