to ask where indyref Part 5 is?

[grovel]

Well?

I found it telling that the 3 most entrenched, fanciful Yes supporters on these threads assumed that I was using a different username, rather than being at work, when I simply didn't post for a few days. Because being busy at work seemed to be a concept they found entirely beyond their ken.

Stop being paranoid and insulting. No-one has said that.

Heres a link to another scandal, this one a sex scandal and related to the infamous Fettesgate, which the Scottish Parliament has shown no initiative in investigating. Meanwhile there is at least something been done about the Westminster one.

www.scotsman.com/news/call-for-inquiry-into-scots-historical-sex-abuse-1-3511956

Daily Record link for those who claim it to be the only readable source in Scotland:

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/raped-aged-4-scots-tory-4047789

ItsAll Scotland is entitled to a share of assets of course. It's not entitled to a Currency Union - you need to get that straight in your head. A currency is not an asset.

"Its almost as convincing as no Yes supporters being able to provide a valid explanation for the Scottish Parliament's blithe lack of concern for the state of Edinburgh."

Chelsy you seem to be like a dog with a bone when it comes to Edinburgh Council. I have now actually lost track how many times you've had a beef with them on this thread and previous Indy threads.

City of Edinburgh Council will be inept whether or not we vote for independence! Your point is moot.

ItsAll, the point is that as of a Yes vote on the 18th, none of the things I listed will be known or decided upon.

to take just one, membership of the EU will take time - at least 3 years. The EU is a slow-moving beast.

all this means uncertainty, which the economy hates.

To be fair though Itsallgoingtobefine, what with you and others' past comments to me and LadyC, you give the impression that you look down upon women who go out to earn an honest penny. As in we don't really match up to those on benefits or maybe lower skilled jobs.

Which is a strange impression for avowed socialists to do, but not unheard of.

Deeedeee I hope you don't come out with cringeworthy stuff like that and go around calling yourself a girl in real life. Outwith a very small communist workers party set or similar, you would need a hell of a lot of personal charisma for anyone not to burst out laughing at you, or simply walk away. And I'm guessing if you actually had it, you would not be on here posting all the time.

IrnBru Chelsy you seem to be like a dog with a bone when it comes to Edinburgh Council. I have now actually lost track how many times you've had a beef with them on this thread and previous Indy threads.

Do you really not see any connection in voter's minds between the promise of a fairer and more equal society, based on an existing Parliament which practically refuses to deal with scandal and corruption close to home?

City of Edinburgh Council will be inept whether or not we vote for independence! Your point is moot.

So whats the point in voting for it if its not going to be any better, or perhaps even worse, than Westminster?

I suspect it would be much easier to get away with fraud and corruption in a smaller country. Especially one with such an entrenched history of it.

Oooh Chelsy! Stop with the personal insults. You are making yourself look mean .

I'm not trying to convince any of you. Apart from to not run away and cause your fears to happen if it is a yes vote!

But deeedeee please understand most people would not be running away.

They'd be moving with their jobs, or because their jobs no longer exist.

Believe me, we would very much like to stay in Scotland, it's just the IndyRef affects DH's job, and if it's Yes it will go south.

Yes voters on the other hand rarely post about the immediate impact on their personal circumstances - they are more concerned with long term impact on Scotland as a whole.

I must agree with your statement here Itsall.

"As in we don't really match up to those on benefits or maybe lower skilled jobs."

Are you for real Chelsy?? Do you enjoy having a pop at those who are less fortunate than yourself? Does it give you a thrill? You seem to be doing this an awful lot on these threads. If you have to constantly pick fault with others who are less fortunate I think it says more about you as a person than anything else...

And it's completely impossible to find a new job? Diversify, retrain, rethink. That's what people do!

Respectfully, you are the one living in cloud cuckoo land if you think your job is for life and that scottish independance will be the only thing to threaten it.

If it impacts enough individuals it impacts the country as a whole. There are very large numbers fearing for their jobs, many of them for very real reasons. It's not selfish or unrealistic to consider this.

Believe me, we would very much like to stay in Scotland, it's just the IndyRef affects DH's job, and if it's Yes it will go south.

That's really tough, being sent to another country through no fault of your own. Hopefully DH's employer will make up any costs involved? But it's not nice for your family.

"So whats the point in voting for it if its not going to be any better, or perhaps even worse, than Westminster?"

Chelsy Lots of reasons have been mentioned upthread for a Yes vote, not regurgitating it all. So one council in Scotland which is inept will not outweigh my other reasons for voting Yes, I'm afraid.

I don't live in Edinburgh so it has no impact on my daily life whether or not City of Edinburgh Council can do their job properly or whether there's corruption.

And it's completely impossible to find a new job? Diversify, retrain, rethink. That's what people do!

deedee how on earth did you come up with that?! [sarcasm emoticon] People can retrain, really? Bloody hell, what a revelation eh!

deeedeee really? We should both lose our careers, our home, and retrain in our fifties? just to have to honour of serving this Brave New Scotland?

Wow, you don't ask much of your followers, do you?

Out of interest deeedeee was that your attitude to people like miners who saw their industry decimated? Or does it only not matter because it's evil financial services workers? Retraining only works if there are jobs to retrain to. On an individual level it's possible but you have to consider it on a systematic level

People who have spent years progressing in their chosen career can hardly be expected to just retrain.

Yeah, plenty new jobs in our fields around IrnBru

If you think an independent Scotland is worth it, retraining won't be an issue. If you don't think it's worth it, there are plenty other parts of the world to relocate to and you can continue with your chosen profession.

Deeedeee And it's completely impossible to find a new job? Diversify, retrain, rethink. That's what people do!

Why would you do that, when you could just follow your job to where its being relocated to? e.g. England? If you are happy in a career, which no longer provides you with a job in a particular country, why on earth wouldn't you follow the job?

That's what people do all the time surely. Loads of people work and live in different countries from the one they were born in. The exception seems to be a certain breed of male who seems to think they are entitled to a job being handed to them on a plate, so they never have to inconvenience themselves by moving. And rather a lot of them seem to be based in the central belt of Scotland.

But obviously its easier to label those with genuine concerns about their jobs cowards and fearties as opposed to ex shipbuilders and miners who are predominately male and would rather not move away.

Re central banks which someone mentioned earlier. Every country in the EU, each independent, shares a currency union and a central bank...