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To think an 11 year sentence for Rosdeep Adekoya is perfectly appropriate

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ArsenicyOldFace · 25/08/2014 13:08

despite what the tabloids will say?

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Deverethemuzzler · 25/08/2014 17:55

And I didn't think the OP was remotely goady btw.

ArsenicyOldFace · 25/08/2014 18:01

Arsenic I mean got a murder charge rather than culpable homicide, we are not privy to the Procurator Fiscals decision to prosecute for CP rather than murder.

Oh so we agree

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FreudiansSlipper · 25/08/2014 18:08

No not really

A young boys life has ended in the most appalling way his father is without a son, his grandparents without a grandchild and siblings without a brother this will have a huge impact on their lives also having to live with knowing their mother killed their brother

She was struggling she did need more support if she had this maybe he would still be alive but it's a maybe.

All her family suffer and will continue too for what she has done

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 25/08/2014 18:12

devere If I was in that situation i think my focus would be in supporting my son to do what was best for the child. Kicking off about custody battles doesn't help anyone (although I haven't googled any other sources and admit the linked report is a bit simplistic/sensational).

It sounds though that there's no way the siblings will be kept together, which is heart breaking.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 25/08/2014 18:14

^^ by which I mean they aren't being kept together through a family adoption. The three elder DCs are with their dad who was involved in their lives, while Grandfather and son appear to both be seeking custody for the surviving twin Sad

fun1nthesun · 25/08/2014 18:22

What I don't understand is why you see big angry looking men in the paper every day who have shaken their girlfriend's/exgf's baby to death as a baby and they get 3-6 years?

But she got 11.....

Nicknacky · 25/08/2014 18:25

That's sentences I will never understand. They always do seem lenient.

redshifter · 25/08/2014 19:09

I am with you mostly Arsenic. Not sure I agree about what is best for the other children or even whether that should be taken into account when sentencing.

Though to me it seem an appropriate sentence.

I think it would have been very difficult to prove it was premeditated murder.

However I have some agreement with opinions like these :- Would you call for compassion if this was a man?

I do wonder what this thread would have been like if had been the father not the mother who had killed him.

I suspect not as many people would be compassionate if it was a father.

a lot of people think like that and find it harder to think about a mother killing their child than a Father.
Maybe because people find it so hard to think about that they can't imagine a mother abusing and killing their child so they need to find reasons why she did and try har der to find these reasons and be more compassionate.

Like a PP said though all case are different and should be sentenced on their own merits. None are exactly the same.

In reality, mothers usually get longer sentences than fathers.

Do they??? In reality I think this statement is wrong. I would like to know where you found the information for this reality. Everything I have read points to males getting quite longer sentences than females for the same or comparable crimes. All crimes. Nearly always.
Especially when crimes against a child. There many reasons for this, but it seems the willingness to look further for reasons, extenuating circumstances and understanding for females is one.

The effect a sentence has on the offenders children also seems to be taken more into consideration whennthe offender is female.

Not saying it is wrong. Just pointing it out.

redshifter · 25/08/2014 19:15

What I don't understand is why you see big angry looking men in the paper every day who have shaken their girlfriend's/exgf's baby to death as a baby and they get 3-6 years?

every day??? Really??? I think you will find that women who have shaken their baby to death (and this is not that rare) consistently get far less than 3-6 years.

Again, I am not saying this is wrong. Just discussing.

Deverethemuzzler · 25/08/2014 19:18

Staying with family generally IS what is best for the child.
The siblings may not live together but they are far, far more likely to grow up with a meaningful relationship if the remain within their birth families.

What do you think the alternative is?

MrsRaegan · 25/08/2014 19:19

Corabell why do you think she won't last at Cornton Vale? She's lasted this long on remand.

Mrsjayy · 25/08/2014 19:23

She is in a special wing in prison and wont mix with mainatream prisoners she has more chance of taking her own life than a prisoner gettiing their hands on her

Tinkerball · 25/08/2014 19:25

Remand prisoners won't be kept in the main jail population I imagine.

MrsRaegan · 25/08/2014 19:26

No she's not. She was on remand. Away from the mainstream prisoners who were serving sentences. But mixed with other women awaiting court dates. She'll be on with long term prisoners again, unless she's deemed a danger to herself.

MrsRaegan · 25/08/2014 19:26

Ah sorry for auto correct failings there!

HeySoulSister · 25/08/2014 19:28

Why does she get a 'special cell' and how do you know this?

Mrsjayy · 25/08/2014 19:31

I didnt say she had a special cell I just said she would be away from mainstream prisoners cornton vale have different wings

Groovee · 25/08/2014 19:36

She's in Ross House according to the papers yesterday. Likely she'll stay there.

bellarations · 25/08/2014 19:37

This is truly sad and tragic.
IMO (for what it's worth) no person of sound mind, parent or not, does this to another person, let alone an innocent child. If her temper got the better of her in this way, she IS unwell.

ArsenicyOldFace · 25/08/2014 19:42

The effect a sentence has on the offenders children also seems to be taken more into consideration whennthe offender is female.

Probably because a custodial sentence for a female offender is far mor likely to disrupt the living arrangements of a child, which is in turn because women are far far more likely to be single parent with residence (or even the only parent for their child) than a man is.

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ArsenicyOldFace · 25/08/2014 19:46

What do you think the alternative is?

In this case DeVere I think the confusing aspect is that the youngest girl knows her maternal family but had never met her father or paternal family due to the clandestine circumstances around the relationship. So the alternative to unknown paternal relatives would, on the face of it, be known maternal relatives. Of course we don't know the ins and outs.

The older three children have both paternal and maternal family.

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Tinkerball · 25/08/2014 19:51

bella mental illness is not the only reason for killing someone, I find it insulting to the mentally ill, who are at more of a risk to themselves than others that this "has" to be a reason. Human nature and personalities aren't that black and white I'm afraid.

Deverethemuzzler · 25/08/2014 19:53

I haven't argued against other family members.
I have argued against the children being removed from the birth family.

IF there are no suitable family members, the only alternative is long term foster care.

They are very unlikely to be adopted given their ages and their history.

Lovely as many FC are, going into LA care is unlikely to be the best for these children.

An unknown (to the children ) relative may be the best option depending on what is going on with the other family members.

I don't think we should judge family for 'fighting for custody'. What else would they do? Do people think they have nefarious motives?

I agree with PP. I doubt she would be kept apart from mainstream prisoners for the whole of her sentence.

Mrsjayy · 25/08/2014 19:55

I agree what is sad and tragic is this boys death mental illness is no excuse she managed not to beat her other kids including the wee boys twin it was him she singled out not the rest

HilariousInHindsight · 25/08/2014 19:56

YABU - it's not long enough.