To think an 11 year sentence for Rosdeep Adekoya is perfectly appropriate

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despite what the tabloids will say?

What do you sugest merry some family therapy for her and her other children a hug perhaps some people are so filled with hate they lash out this imo is what she did then she tried to hide him. How do you know she is remorseful

No, in my opinion the sentence is not long enough by a long way.

She physically abused her child and let him suffer for days until he died in terrible pain. In the house where her other children were living and undoubtedly witnessed her cruelty and neglect.

A vile woman who deserves to spend the rest of her life behind bars for what she has done. And that's not taking into account the pretence of him being kidnapped while having disposed of his body.

tinkerbell, Mrsjayy I don't think the scottish justice system has a particular reputation for being 'soft'. There will be reasons why culpable homicide was agreed as the charge.

I dont think they were soft really I just think it wasn't long enough I know that the sentence will have been proper iyswim. 11 years just seems no time at all it doesn't make sense to me.

How do you know she is remorseful

The judge in the summing up said

“As Mr McConnachie accepts, none of that excuses your action. I accept that you have no record of any significance; that there is no history of lasting or recurrent neglect; that this assault on Mikaeel appears to have been wholly out of character; that you had no intention to kill or any thought that your actions might have that effect; that your mental state played a significant part in what happened; and that your remorse is entirely genuine.

Arsenic I'm sure there will be reasons. And yep the public won't have access to that. Makes it harder to understand but I would assume it would have something to do with the chance if a successful prosecution.

Her remorse may or may not be genuine. It is possible to fool people, even professionals.

She'd confessed in interview. Presumably CCTV, forensic, circumstantial and other evidence piled high.

Why would there be doubt over the chance of successful prosecution?

There was worry about him before he died though I just find it hard to understand how she could beat him to death then cover up his death and be remorseful.

And even if she is remorseful alot of killers are I dont think she desreves freedom in 11 years

There would be n doubt of a successful prosecution, however the crown have to satisfy that the charge of murder was the appropriate one. The threshold for a murder conviction is rightly high. She made admissions no doubt of causing the death but doubtful she admitted to intending to kill him.

Taking away the emotion of this offence for a moment. The crown would have to satisfy a jury beyond all reasonable doubt that the accused knew her assaults would like cause the death of the boy. Obviously we know it's wrong and horrific but that burden of proof has to be there.

If I punch someone during a fight and he dies, can it be proven I intended to kill and my actions amounted to an act of wicked recklessness with disregard of the life of another? Probably not. I was in a fight, and threw a punch. Happens everyday and majority of people survive.

If I run at a person screaming I'm going to murder them and stab them through the heart then we can safely say my actions amounted to murder.

Yes I know it is an emotive subject and am obviously not a lawyer or a judge but a fight is different from beating a child

It wasn't a single punch though Nick. An argument could have been made.

I'm using that as an example of the difference between CH and murder. Sometimes it can be as clear cut and other times, like this, it isn't that simple to the outside world. I'm aware of a case where the accused set fire to the deceased, plea of guilty accepted to culpable homicide.

Well the law/term should be changed so death as a result of repearedly beating sombody has the same sentence and culpailty as murder

Repeatedly

I honestly feel if his father did this the outcome might have been different

It's a heartbreaking case. It does seem like a light sentence for such a horrible crime, but the prosecution decided not to try her for murder and accepted her guilty plea to manslaughter, which carries a lighter sentence. Obviously the judge has more information than any of us, and perhaps if we had heard the same evidence, we might have come to the same conclusion.

Arsenic I mean got a murder charge rather than culpable homicide, we are not privy to the Procurator Fiscals decision to prosecute for CP rather than murder.

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Mrsjayy, the law generally speaking functions pretty well as it is. You don't like this outcome granted, but laws are never going to be altered and made based on emotional cases.

I'm not speaking specifically of this case but every case has to be prosecuted on its own merits and if it fits the strict criteria to warrant a murder charge then that's what will be prosecuted. Causing the death of another does not automatically mean murder.

Lie I have said previously, there will be far far more to this case then we will even be entitled to know, and the decisions are based on that information.

Any fathers/mothers have previously been prosecuted for murder or CH. You will never find an exact case with a parent of opposite sex to compare it with, they are all different.

She didnt give a dam about the other children either,she was well known for leaving all the children all weekend while she went out clubbing with known drug dealers

I don't know why you think having compassion is the same as excusing her.

Being compassionate is about YOU and how you treat other people. It is in no way minimising someone else's actions.

Lack of compassion leads to small children being killed DAILY but they are not English or Scottish or in the news very much.

And yes, I think she should go to prison, but I think 11 years is plenty for all the reasons stated above, including the fact the justice system thinks it so and they know more about this specific situation, and more about criminals generally, than I do.

I am puzzled at the shock expressed by posters that the surviving children's family member would be considered for residency.

Of course they should be.

If you had a relative who had committed such an act, even if you had not met the children, would you not consider applying to be their guardians?
There is no doubt that children do better when kept within their family when appropriate.
Their chances of adoption are negligible, their chances of being kept together are zilch if they go into LA care.