to want to know why British Jihadi fighters will have their passports revoked?

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Upon hearing that there are 500+ English muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq as part of the Isis army I immediately looked online for what would happen to them if they tried to return to the UK. I've listened to the news for days and read the papers, government websites etc. and it seems that they will simply be allowed back in. I find this extremely frightening. Why isn't there a clear line on what will happen to them if they try to return? Why isn't the government being clear that they will have passports cancelled and be exiled?

A civilised society would hang them for crimes against humanity

A civilised society would be one that doesn't murder its own citizens.

Bluebell is right. This is a very compelling article on the difference between the Muslim psychological mindset and that of Westerners written by a Danish prison psychologist who worked with Muslim inmates to address their offending...

www.newenglishreview.org/Nicolai_Sennels/Muslims_and_Westerners%3A__The_Psychological_Differences/

In sum Muslims...
-Have a different approach to anger/violence
-Have an external locus of control (fate/Allah determines everything not your individual actions)
-Identify as Muslims first, before any adopted nationality
-Have an heightened attachment to concepts of "honour" and "losing face"
-Respond to firm consequences rather than efforts to get them to self reflect

He concludes very depressingly....

"We need to understand that it is not possible to integrate masses of Muslims into our Western societies. We need to understand that our non-confrontational Western ways of handling conflicts make us look weak and vulnerable to Muslim leaders. We need to understand that Muslim culture is much stronger and more determined than our guilt-ridden, self-excusing Western culture. We need to understand that Muslims will only feel at home in a Muslim culture and this is why their religious demands for Islamization of the West will never end."

Surely the perpetrator here ( who beheaded mr Foley) would be extradited to the US for them to deal with..... So maybe that's a solution, palm them off on the US as the 'war' seems to have started now

There was a marked difference between the IRA terrorists and the UDF etc. terrorists in prison as well. Totally different attitudes, behaviour, background. Didn't make one incapable of reintegration.

As I said above, soulsister, if he is British then he is triable by and in Britain for murder.

Ah well, nothing like a bit of multiculturalism to please the hand wringers.

Well - you've got it now. Enjoy.

hell2, how does any of that make Bluebell's pretty offensive comment right?

Really? Thought he would have to go to US as he murdered a US citizen

So what problems have we helped create?

I may have missed it linked here already but this BBC news piece about what happens when suspected Jihadi fighters return is interesting. I'd never heard of the 'Channel scheme' for deprogramming before.

Western interference has not been good Thurlow, and it's not what the middle east wants either. The flippancy of it was a joke but I am not joking to say I wish we could just say goodbye, you do what you want with your countries, we won't buy any oil or try to influence your policies, good luck and ciao.

Yeah, we (the US) should really be putting our efforts into finding a renewable energy source so we're not dependent on oil anymore and can fuel ourselves. Then we can just leave them to it. They can sort themselves out. I'm tired of our men and women dying over there to protect a few cents on a gallon of gas.

The same problem western countries have created in foreign states for decades. Western countries have interfered and tried to change governments for their own financial benefits. Mostly to do with oil - so yes, definitely, everyone should be focusing on renewable energy sources and reducing their dependency on oil, for political and environmental means.

It's pretty difficult to separate tension, terrorism and fighting in Iraq from the fact that western countries have invaded twice in the past few decades.

I suppose for me it all boils down to thinking that countries effectively "washing their hands" of problems in other countries is just not morally right.

Tikimon I agree. Nothing good comes of a massive amount of money being available to societies which aren't ready for it. If you look at a map of Africa, you can pretty much tell where the oil, gas, diamonds and gold are based on how shit, violent, unstable and corrupt the governments are.

Massive amounts of cash suddenly don't make for democracy, equality and an inclusive would-view. Saudi is the number one example.

I suppose they'd be entitled to a trial and then a sentence passed. Hopefully a life sentence which means life.

Some may argue that they've been over there as aid workers.

God knows how to prove it for some of the smaller, off the radar ones.

Really? Thought he would have to go to US as he murdered a US citizen

I doubt he's going to be captured alive, even if we wanted to.

It's a good question though. Who gets him? It's a British citizen, committing a crime against an American on foreign soil.

Arsenic

America would want him and we'd happily give him to them I reckon.

Its happened before. There were british citizens in Guantanamo bay for years.

It's a British citizen, committing a crime against an American on foreign soil.

Suspected British citizen. They don't know.

Be fair Username, it has also been pointed out around here somewhere he is English... allegedly

Its happened before. There were british citizens in Guantanamo bay for years.

Yeah, but I thought we captured them. I don't think they were handed over to us?

Huh? Sorry Tikimom, I don't follow that!

They were imprisoned there and were, eventually handed over by the Americans - who were really pissed off when they were released and not imprisoned here too!

Which raises the spectre of Extraordinary Renditions again.

Sadly the Americans do NOT mean surprising stories when they say that! But maybe, if they could find and steal these people to a Guantanamo style place, remembering to keep it secret this time.... maybe even on American territory... well, you never know!

America would want him and we'd happily give him to them I reckon.

Of course, America would throw a tantrum if you didn't. But typically, I think the person goes back to their country to be tried.

Let's say I murdered a Canadian in a foreign country. Who gets me? America or Canada?

Ah! Are you American, Tikimom? That would make total sense of the post I queried

They were imprisoned there and were, eventually handed over by the Americans - who were really pissed off when they were released and not imprisoned here too!

I asked who would get the "British" executioner. Galaxy said we would and we had Brits in Guantanamo.

But Britain didn't hand over the people to Guantanamo. We captured them. Which is my point, if Britain had captured them, they'd be tried in Britain.