to want to know why British Jihadi fighters will have their passports revoked?

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Upon hearing that there are 500+ English muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq as part of the Isis army I immediately looked online for what would happen to them if they tried to return to the UK. I've listened to the news for days and read the papers, government websites etc. and it seems that they will simply be allowed back in. I find this extremely frightening. Why isn't there a clear line on what will happen to them if they try to return? Why isn't the government being clear that they will have passports cancelled and be exiled?

I would argue that a majority of muslims hate the west and it's values. WTF?

Although as it is for over 21s, and I think A LOT of the fighters will be younger by a year or so, would they be in custody for life (according to the link)? What's the difference?

Not sure TBH.

In any case, it is sparingly used and HAS to be sparingly used because of the problems of large numbers of prisoners with 'nothing to lose' due to no hope of parole that MrsTerry describes so well. So it would have its issues.

Just realised that the wording I used has probably caused a misunderstanding here.

I referred to tarifs, not whole life order (Peter Sutcliffe, , Ian Brady, Dennis Nilson and Rosemary West, etc). I meant that when given a life sentence the usual tarif is a minimum of 10 years. The EU has questioned the viability of 'no parol' sentences, like the whole life order, one way round that is an increased minimum sentence for 'life'. Maybe we could add more categories of murder, though that is a bit against my usual thinking.

Whole life orders were confirmed as entirely legal earlier this year.

My apologies.

Um, what rpitch?

www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_-_mandatory_life_sentences_in_murder_cases/

I have a cps link that includes tarifs for those under 21 (usually 12 years).

Western interference has not been good Thurlow, and it's not what the middle east wants either. The flippancy of it was a joke but I am not joking to say I wish we could just say goodbye, you do what you want with your countries, we won't buy any oil or try to influence your policies, good luck and ciao.

I really struggle to imagine that I could go abroad, behead someone, and then reenter the UK to serve a short 'rehab'-esque prison sentence before release!!

Gosh NoMama you're fast!

It's a bit sweeping to say that western involvement is not what the whole Middle East wants.

I would never and could never argue that western involvement to date has been with the best intentions. Most of it clearly hasn't been.

But we, whether Western countries or the United Nations, helped create so many of the problems faced by the Middle East today. Just walking away from those problems would quite simply be the lowest of the low.

www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jun/23/uk.religion

"A significant majority viewed western populations as selfish, arrogant, greedy and immoral. Just over half said westerners were violent."

There are numerous opinion polls that echo these findings - british muslims being significant outliers. To clarify i don't think muslims have a problem with individuals but rather the values in these western societies.

Of course, whichever way the situation out there resolves, even if it involves the formal formation of an IS-run nation state , then that regularises the situation somewhat.

..and if british citizens fought for the army of a foreign nation, then that would be a different situation...

Ah yes, opinion polls. Must be true then.

Rehab has such good success, that's very well known. This is why the recidive numbers are so low, isn't it?? ....

But what are you rehabilitating someone to? Maybe the Jihadists' perspective is reasonable for them, but they just would prefer a different type of society.

A country that allows it's citizens to be radicalised into mass murderers and sex slavers needs to take responsibility for them. A civilised society would hang them for crimes against humanity allowing that to be postponed only if their victims wanted them to return to face justice in the countries they created hell in.

Their parents need to be held accountable too. Those parents who weren't born here should be returned to wherever they came from because by raising monsters they've caused enough trouble. Those parents who were born here should face criminal prosecution for failing to teach their kids right from wrong and allowing them to become pschyopaths. I'd send the off to live in the caliphate their precious little darlings helped create.

The imams need to be prosecuted for their teachings and they should be held responsible for aiding in every crime their brainwashed followers commit.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait should be banned from funding religious propaganda and hate in all European countries.

Unfortunately, nothing will be done for fear of trampling on their 'human rights', they won't be held to account, their parents will allow their other children to follow in their terrorist siblings footsteps, most likely encouraging them, others will be radicalised too, more again will be welcomed with open arms from countries that don't want them, more hate and terrorism will be funded by the same countries that have destroyed Syria and Iraq with Isis and eventually we will be just like Syria.

Well, that was an enlightened and cultured response.

Eye for an eye and all that!

Let alone that last ridiculous statement, well, whole paragraph!

Well, Party Malcolm McGuiness and Jerry Adams are 'rehabilitated' whilst still not giving up on what they violently fought for. I admit it's not best case scenario time but better than what went before.

Arsenicy, I just happened to have passed it when looking at whole life vs murder tarifs. I was lucky

A country that allows it's citizens to be radicalised into mass murderers and sex slavers needs to take responsibility for them.

Very kind of you to make me feel better Nomama

Bluebelljumpsoverthemoon Their parents need to be held accountable too. Those parents who weren't born here should be returned to wherever they came from because by raising monsters they've caused enough trouble.

The Jihadi fighters are not the only monsters are they? We have our own murderers, pedophiles, etc. To make society better and all round fairness we should lock up all of them and their parents.

By the way, how much of a tax increase would you be willing to pay for deportation or to lock all these people away?

Nothing like a bit of racism is there rpitch and ignorance eh?

Of course its worrying that these people will at some point come back, also worrying that, Im going to presume, that there are some staying in this country to cause trouble here as well.

But, we have to try and put some trust into the authorities, they are not just going to allow people to come back without incrediable close scrutiny and some form of action.

I do think we, as a country, need to look at how these youngsters are being radicalised, its so hard to comprehend that a lot of them are intelligent westernised youngsters leaving here to kill, thats one hell of a belief isnt it.

Their parents need to be held accountable too. Those parents who weren't born here should be returned to wherever they came from because by raising monsters they've caused enough trouble. Those parents who were born here should face criminal prosecution for failing to teach their kids right from wrong and allowing them to become pschyopaths. I'd send the off to live in the caliphate their precious little darlings helped create.

Jesus wept.

Would that rule apply across the board, to every parent who had a child who had become a violent criminal?
How is it civilised to blame someone for another adult's choices?

Oh come on OneStep you must have heard of the statutory offence of "failing to teach their kids right from wrong and allowing them to become pschyopaths." Minimum sentence of 7 years per count, courts are clogged with cases