to want to know why British Jihadi fighters will have their passports revoked?

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Upon hearing that there are 500+ English muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq as part of the Isis army I immediately looked online for what would happen to them if they tried to return to the UK. I've listened to the news for days and read the papers, government websites etc. and it seems that they will simply be allowed back in. I find this extremely frightening. Why isn't there a clear line on what will happen to them if they try to return? Why isn't the government being clear that they will have passports cancelled and be exiled?

Did he get a restraining order?

Do you really think its that easy for people to leave Islam?

It's not though is it?

Yes it is.

There is quite a high Muslim population. It's growing.

I believe it was 5% in 2011. That means 95% isn't Muslim.

At some point it's likely that a Muslim will be elected into parliament. Once that happens and they then are elected as prime minister we will become a Muslim country.

There are already Muslim members of parliament. And although I think it's highly unlikely there will be a Muslim PM, if there was, he/she would have been elected by the people. And you don't become a Muslim country just by having a Muslim PM.

Did he get a restraining order?

I think he had police protection. But he was out a lot.

Do you really think its that easy for people to leave Islam?

It depends. On the country, family, their levels of religiosity, culture, etc.

Yes but the population is growing faster than the none Muslim population.
I'm not saying imminently. But eventually it will happen.

I see the conversation has moved on. In relation to a few of the last posts.

Re: "honour' crimes: its true that this occurs in other cultures and religions but it is undeniable that the problem is more widespread in muslim communities as the highest incidences are in South Asia and the Middle East.

Islam's focus on women's obedience, chastity and modesty definitely plays a part in fuelling the murder and abuse of women (and some men) who do not conform to its dictates. Shaheen Hasmat, a Scottish Pakistani who sadly experienced honour abuse also has the same opinion: www.shaheenhashmat.com/islam-and-honour-abuse/#more-1030

yes sensible article Mistress Mia. your insight is helpful

Do you really think its that easy for people to leave Islam?

It depends. On the country, family, their levels of religiosity, culture, etc.

In almost no country is it easy to leave Islam, even in the West. There are real concerns about physical harm for some leavers - some former muslims in the UK are in hiding and have had to even change identity.

For others it's ostracisation and the terminal verbal abuse or emotional guilt trip that they will inevitably face, that restricts their ability to be open and 'come out'

I suspect that there are in fact many who have quietly turned away from Islam and with each new atrocity more will do so.

I'm sure that in time ex-adherents will be brave enough to start openly announcing their apostasy. The subject is currently a taboo one, but a lot of that is due to fear or a desire not to offend older relatives. I think once my parents generation die out, then people will become more vocal. Having said that the biggest barrier to me discussing my lack of belief openly with my family is not my parents but my brother, who wants to protect his children from being 'corrupted' !

They stop practising? No longer refer to themselves as Muslims?

also the Danish psychologists findings make sense.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/sudan/10854163/I-renounced-Islam-so-my-family-think-I-should-die.html

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7355515.stm

www.vice.com/en_uk/read/leaving-islam-behind-is-a-scary-prospect-for-britains-ex-muslims

MistressMia

Yes, for some people it is extremely difficult, nigh impossible to leave. But there are some families who are lax, and aren't that bothered.

There is a large variation from extremist to lapsed Muslims with everything in between.

I've read accounts on-line of ex-muslims who outwardly continue to practice, so that their families don't suspect. So they still seemingly fast (but then eat in secret), pretend to pray behind closed doors etc etc

I pretend when I am meeting my parents friends and my extended relatives. It's much easier to do so than to get into an argument with people who's background and education mean that it is beyond their capability of comprehension of any such position. I would just be accused of being possessed by Satan !

User from what I am reading and my own limited experience with friend (s) I do not believe like the Catholic faith for instance, being ex Muslim is something you can jokingly bandy about, casually.

User as an aside... You Do Realise Mistress is very well read on this, and has and is living it and breathing it and is as close to the subject as you can get, apologies if you do understand this, there are a few threads around on this subject and its tricky to remember who said what on which
( and posted what on which).

KnittedJimmyChoos and is as close to the subject as you can get

And why do you assume I'm not?

There is a large variation from extremist to lapsed Muslims with everything in between.

Yes, which is why when discussing muslims, some of the statements made about 'them' are not just distasteful but also untrue. I can understand non-muslims fear and revulsion, but would caution people not to generalise.

Very good question User, I had assumed you had interest in this but were not actually a Muslim, are you?

I don't think people need to be worried about muslims becoming a majority in the UK anytime soon or if ever. 2nd and 3rd generation muslim women's birthrates are falling, as is typical of all families who become educated and who then consequently experience improved living standards. In fact across muslim countries too muslim birthrate is declining.

This report comes from an American Conservative think tank, so can hardly be accused of bias towards muslims !

www.aei.org/files/2012/03/21/-fertility-decline-in-the-muslim-world-a-veritable-seachange-still-curiously-unnoticed_102606337292.pdf

MistressMia I believe the US President is Muslim...his father was, so he is by default, no?

Err no

That is among the dumber things I have seen on MN, and that against some serious competition.

Ah great, now the #birthers# will be along.

Ha ha ha ha ha.
What a stupid thing to post.