to want to know why British Jihadi fighters will have their passports revoked?

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Upon hearing that there are 500+ English muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq as part of the Isis army I immediately looked online for what would happen to them if they tried to return to the UK. I've listened to the news for days and read the papers, government websites etc. and it seems that they will simply be allowed back in. I find this extremely frightening. Why isn't there a clear line on what will happen to them if they try to return? Why isn't the government being clear that they will have passports cancelled and be exiled?

ghostland

The point I am making is that the West is going to have to become a little less tolerant

Regarding what? Do you have an example?

what would you do

Is there any other option but to release him if found innocent?

Like I said the systems not perfect and can be improved. But I'd rather live in a country where everyone has a right to a fair trial than a country that's a throwback to the dark ages where you could lock anyone up just because you perceive them as a threat.

Nomama Sat 23-Aug-14 13:14:15

Oooh! Did you read that as though we were comparing Mandela with ISIS?

Yes! I did! A few people have said Mandela was also called a terrorist once as if one day these Murderers will be somehow vindicated, in the same way. But clearly I am making the wrong links with anyone bringing Nelsons good name into chat about such vile wicked people. What the link or reason is, I am not understanding but clearly there is a reason....

After the hugely expensive botch job we did with Abu Hamza I have little faith in our legal system to deal with any of these men effectively or indeed even catch them.

op I too am worried about lots of odd random attacks.

Why do you keep posting this: www.newenglishreview.org/Nicolai_Sennels/Muslims_and_Westerners%3A__The_Psychological_Differences/?

Because the first link did not work and I think its relevant to the thread esp when talk of rehabilitation.

But I'd rather live in a country where everyone has a right to a fair trial than a country that's a throwback to the dark ages where you could lock anyone up just because you perceive them as a threat

And I would rather simply, be allowed to just live and not be killed along with my family in some random be heading.

Because the first link did not work and I think its relevant to the thread esp when talk of rehabilitation.

Yes, I'm sure Nicolai Sennels, who writes for Jihad Watch, an anti-Islamic blog that promotes Islamophobia is completely unbiased.

I'm having a read now and it is interesting. if Islam is so perfect and wonderful then why are the Moslems so worried anyway.

christians are ridiculed and sidelined and Jews in Europe are having a hard time

it is high time the religion was scrutinised. look at what went on in the Birmingham achools recently.

Its stuff like this which makes me think that Edward Snowden was wrong. I'm all for intelligence services listening in to our phone calls, etc if it means they can catch some of the scum who do this stuff.

it is high time the religion was scrutinized I agree but I believe we should always question everything all of the time.

Islam is however something we are not allowed to question for fear of causing, offense. I don't really remember the IRA threat, but I do remember Salmen Rushdis Fatawa (Sp) and how afraid I was that he might be killed for writing a book.

and in theory choose to leave, although with the threat of death or life being made difficult)

Its leaving the religion part that interests me, how easy it is ( in reality) and how common.

The thought that people are trapped in it - when they dont want to be but cant leave through fear, how can we open up debate to help them leave or be allowed to leave?

yes it is terrible that it is so frowned on by the community, if Muslims want to change their religion or not practice then let them do so.

alemci No one on this thread it was 'perfect' or 'wonderful'.

Religions are often scrutinised in this country. And I for 1 am glad we live in a country where you have the freedom to do so without being killed.

christians are ridiculed and sidelined and Jews in Europe are having a hard time

No one should be ridiculed or given a hard time.

ghostland

Islamophobia
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1.
hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture

Belief systems should be open to honest and critical debate.

I've never had any problem discussing it. The problem is when people veer off and become abusive. That is not something I will indulge in and IMO makes the person look foolish.

And I for 1 am glad we live in a country where you have the freedom to do so without being killed.

I had a friend a long time ago who fell in love with white atheist. Her own immediate family were moderate but her uncle was respected Imman(sp) and it brought shame to her family, she fled with her lover and feared for her life, it took two years for her to walk down the street without looking over her shoulder hundreds of miles from her parents who she could not contact again.

Freedom? Not what I would call freedom.

Religions are often scrutinised in this country. And I for 1 am glad we live in a country where you have the freedom to do so without being killed.

You cannot scrutinise Islam.

Did she contact the police, get a restraining order?

You cannot scrutinise Islam.

Says who? ghostland did pretty well in her post above.

no one has said that on this thread user but it has been that way in society and there has been fear to challenge the dogma hence the mess we are in

In two generations time we will be a Muslim country anyway.

Oh and by the way Muslims don't have a monopoly on lunatics. Honour killing is also a problem in India.

I read a very good book, Shame by Jasvinder Sanghera.

IMO it is part of the larger issue - the (mis)treatment of women.

alemci it has been that way in society and there has been fear to challenge the dogma

I agree but their fear isn't the Muslims fault.

Earlier on the thread someone mentioned the grooming, honour killings, FGM, etc. and how the authorities weren't quick to act incase they were accused of Racism/Islamophobia. There should have been no messing around. Those acts are illegal and intolerable in this country. I don't see why people pussyfoot around Muslims and treat them like they're made out of glass. Everyone in this country lives by the same laws, regardless of race or religion.

Sleepswithbutterflies Utter nonsense.

I agree but their fear isn't the Muslims fault

If someone decides they don't want to be a Muslim anymore, I am interested in how they can leave it.

I don't see why people pussyfoot around Muslims and treat them like they're made out of glass.

Did she contact the police, get a restraining order?

Did S Rushdi?

If someone decides they don't want to be a Muslim anymore, I am interested in how they can leave it.

They stop practising? No longer refer to themselves as Muslims?

Did S Rushdi?

What does that have to do with your friend being threatened?

And these people in ISIS aren't freedom fighters. I don't particularly care if the feel disillusioned with British society. So do lots of us.

They are murderers who are committing genocide. It's there way or no way. They are vile.
No doubt they will be quick enough to talk about their 'rights' when they return to the uk. However in the kind of state they are proposing not many people will have any rights at all.
I don't believe for one second that they represent Islam. They are brutal lunatics.